What if DNC is SHOMHOW a DPS?

[Vespar]

Bluefever was the gamefaqs leaker who leaked Gunbreaker, Blue Mage, Alphascape bosses, Viera, etc. He said the there would be 2 new jobs in 5.0: Gunblade and Dancer. He said Dancer was a healer. Given that he's been 95% accurate so far (his only inaccuracy was timing of reveals and said the final boss of Alphascape would be "Adam and Eve", it's safe to say Dancer will be a healer.

I dont recall him saying it was a healer. I've gone through the reddit thread that discussed his leaks and didnt see any mention of that in the "pastebin" data from gamefaqs?

[Jonnycbad]

You're right he didn't say it was a healer, I am mistaken. However, SE decided GNB should be a tank because there are 3 tanks and 4 melee DPS. Conversely, if that's the case, it would also make sense that because there are 3 healers and 5 ranged DPS, the second new job would be a healer. Also, we just got 2 DPS last Expansion.

[Vespar]

You're right he didn't say it was a healer, I am mistaken. However, SE decided GNB should be a tank because there are 3 tanks and 4 melee DPS. Conversely, if that's the case, it would also make sense that because there are 3 healers and 5 ranged DPS, the second new job would be a healer. Also, we just got 2 DPS last Expansion.

Technically there are more branches/types of jobs than people seem to care about. Yes there are more DPS than tanks and heals for good reason, but they are broken down into smaller types. (New jobs in brackets)

Tanks: PLD, DRK, WAR, [GUN]
Heals: WHM, AST, SCH
Melee DPS: NIN, SAM, MNK, DRG
Physical Ranged DPS: MCH, BRD
Caster DPS: BLM, RDM, SMN, [BLU]

So really if anything... Physical ranged DPS deserve the love. Not heals, tanks, etc lol
But whatever, it really doesnt matter. We can argue what DNC is going to be until the last fanfest XD
I dont mind either way, it can be a tank for all I care... I just want to play it

[NorthernLadMSP]

Technically there are more branches/types of jobs than people seem to care about. Yes there are more DPS than tanks and heals for good reason, but they are broken down into smaller types. (New jobs in brackets)

Tanks: PLD, DRK, WAR, [GUN]
Heals: WHM, AST, SCH
Melee DPS: NIN, SAM, MNK, DRG
Physical Ranged DPS: MCH, BRD
Caster DPS: BLM, RDM, SMN, [BLU]

So really if anything... Physical ranged DPS deserve the love. Not heals, tanks, etc lol
But whatever, it really doesnt matter. We can argue what DNC is going to be until the last fanfest XD
I dont mind either way, it can be a tank for all I care... I just want to play it

No. There are three roles in this game - tank, healer and DPS. That is a fact. People claiming DPS need more love because they choose to break DPS down into "ooh but there's ranged physical and ranged magic, blah blah blah," are kidding themselves.

[Drakkaelus]

Technically there are more branches/types of jobs than people seem to care about. Yes there are more DPS than tanks and heals for good reason, but they are broken down into smaller types. (New jobs in brackets)

Tanks: PLD, DRK, WAR, [GUN]
Heals: WHM, AST, SCH
Melee DPS: NIN, SAM, MNK, DRG
Physical Ranged DPS: MCH, BRD
Caster DPS: BLM, RDM, SMN, [BLU]

So really if anything... Physical ranged DPS deserve the love. Not heals, tanks, etc lol
But whatever, it really doesnt matter. We can argue what DNC is going to be until the last fanfest XD
I dont mind either way, it can be a tank for all I care... I just want to play it

People need to stop with this. This isn't the kind of game where the type of damage you deal is at all relevant. Nobody pretends that WAR and PLD are different roles just because one of them has a shield and a bunch of magic spells, so why are we suddenly trying to spin this to make it seem like DPS jobs are lacking and need even more attention than they already get?

[Burningskull]

People need to stop with this. This isn't the kind of game where the type of damage you deal is at all relevant. Nobody pretends that WAR and PLD are different roles just because one of them has a shield and a bunch of magic spells, so why are we suddenly trying to spin this to make it seem like DPS jobs are lacking and need even more attention than they already get?

No. There are three roles in this game - tank, healer and DPS. That is a fact. People claiming DPS need more love because they choose to break DPS down into "ooh but there's ranged physical and ranged magic, blah blah blah," are kidding themselves.

I think it's because the game does this... PLD and WAR are not "Magic Tank and Melee Tank." They are all Melee. The code of the game also breaks down the DPS jobs into Melee, Ranged, and Caster by way of not only gear, but also how the DF matches people. Also the way the limit gauge works. If you have more than one of a job your limit gauge fills slower.

Also if they suddenly did make PLD a "Magic" tank... and left the other 3 "Melee" tanks you can bet people would then be saying, "We have 3 melee tanks and 1 magic tank. We need more magic tanks to round it out." Tho if they made PLD a magic tank they might as well make DRK a magic tank... not that they ever will lol.

[kikix12]

Also if they suddenly did make PLD a "Magic" tank... and left the other 3 "Melee" tanks you can bet people would then be saying, "We have 3 melee tanks and 1 magic tank. We need more magic tanks to round it out." Tho if they made PLD a magic tank they might as well make DRK a magic tank... not that they ever will lol.

Neither Paladin nor Dark Knight are magic knights. The brunt of their attacks are still physical and the stat for damage is still strength. Their armors are still physical as well.

A spell or three does not make one a caster, just like melee attacks don't make Red Mage a melee DPS.

If they did rework Paladin into an actual magic tank with brunt of their attack being magical...that would be a different thing. But that's unlikely. It's another class entirely, a Magic Knight. For Paladins magic was always secondary.


And yes, people would want more caster tanks. But how is that different from now?! I still want caster tanks (despite there being none) and I want non-caster healers. That's only natural. I use all three roles preferring healing over the others. But I don't have much of a variety of gameplay styles to choose from with healers or tanks. Sure, the healers and tanks we have currently are a bit more distinct from each other than DPS, but their overall playstyle is not really different at all.

[Risvertasashi]

Neither Paladin nor Dark Knight are magic knights. The brunt of their attacks are still physical and the stat for damage is still strength. Their armors are still physical as well.

They are magic knights.

It sounds like you want a full on caster tank, which is understandable. But Paladin and Dark Knight are the very images of magic knights.

[Gemina]

I think it's because the game does this... PLD and WAR are not "Magic Tank and Melee Tank." They are all Melee. The code of the game also breaks down the DPS jobs into Melee, Ranged, and Caster by way of not only gear, but also how the DF matches people. Also the way the limit gauge works. If you have more than one of a job your limit gauge fills slower.

Also if they suddenly did make PLD a "Magic" tank... and left the other 3 "Melee" tanks you can bet people would then be saying, "We have 3 melee tanks and 1 magic tank. We need more magic tanks to round it out." Tho if they made PLD a magic tank they might as well make DRK a magic tank... not that they ever will lol.

I'm as Even Steven as they come, but this "imbalance" I'm seeing tossed around is ridiculous. If there is an imbalance, it's that healers and tanks have fewer choices than DPS overall. You literally have the choice to go melee physical, ranged, or magical, and have multiple choices within each of those sub roles.

You pointed it out yourself; we don't have a magic (I'm guessing caster type) tank and a melee tank. We also don't have a melee healer either. What about this imbalance? Shouldn't you guys be pushing for these as well? I guess we're going to need four magic tanks now with the addition of GUN; and if DNC comes in as our first hybrid healer, we're going to need more of them too for the sake of rounding things out. Go ahead, and tell me I'm being ridiculous.

[Crushnight]

IMO next job should be healer followed by ranged physical dps what to go with that ranged physical dps idk memeking maybe XD