What if DNC is SHOMHOW a DPS?

[Celef]

A shame they changed BRD from a healer to a DPS between 1.xx and 2.0, then we really would have gotten DNC DPS. Ahh well, what could have been, and all that.

The main issue with BRD being labelled DPS but considered as a heal for the LB was, preciacely the LB.
Wh'en you were in a groupe with 2 BRD, you could forget the LB :/ A good solution would have been the creation of an hybrid categorie, with hybrid LB but SE chosse the easiest path

[hynaku]

All dancer's have ever been is a support dps job. Don't remember any final fantasy game that it was ever a pure healer class. Blu should not count for a shadowbringers class but a third stormblood dps class. They should add geomancer or chemist for a new healer class.

[Transient_Shadow]

All the people who are even remotely upset that 5.0 won't have a new dps class really do astound me. DPS arguably have the most attention in the game and players still get upset when the spotlight isn't on them for like a split second.

It's especially annoying when we healers get asked to fetch the bloody Ciurgion for the 20th time when we're standing right there. Hell I would give up an entire class just to have the game actually recognize I'm a healer more than just one instance with Krile. Like how hard is it to replace "wol go get a healer!" to "wol heal them!" in a cut scene for various stuff? :T

[Kazrah]

No it really wasn't. Unless you count the current form of XI where everyone is a DD of varying magnitude at the max level cap. I play every job/role, DPS have gotten their goodies way more than tanks and heals have and it's time for their turn, Healing/Buffing with dnc would be flippin' great especially using fans to do it.

Pretty much my thoughts on the matter. XI was and should always be seen as an outlier in terms of roles due to how fluid roles were compared to XIV, and given that the last time we got a new tank and healer was around four years ago, it's high time we got something to prevent more people from fleeing those roles like they did in Stormblood.

Also a lesson that should be taken from Dark Knight is that how a job was in a previous game in the Final Fantasy series doesn't really mean anything for what it could be in XIV, which is why I've stopped looking at past games to see what role a job would be.

All the people who are even remotely upset that 5.0 won't have a new dps class really do astound me. DPS arguably have the most attention in the game and players still get upset when the spotlight isn't on them for like a split second.

[Metsonm]

They should add geomancer.

Yeah, I agree. I can't wait to play a healer that uses earth, wind, and water to attack and heal.

White Mage is already going through an identity crisis. Adding GEO, which the AST quests already painted as being extremely similar to Astros, would just exacerbate the issue of healer identity.

[Transient_Shadow]

Thank you for illustrating my point.

[Mansion]

Unpopular opinion here :

We don't need a new healer. AST and SCH cover everything healing has to offer in FFXIV. And WHM is off that, but they promised a re-work. Anyway, if they want to keep healing as Shield vs Regen and soft buffs to the party, AST SCH and a topped up WHM would be enough.
Just like past a certain point, we won't need new jobs outside of the novelty of playing something else, because what we have covers what we need.
However, if they were to change the gameplay, maybe it would give more room to new jobs... or just to rework current jobs.

I feel that right now, any new job is just for the sake of it. Yet it's new content, so we give it a try regardless. I'm worried that too much jobs will eventually make it harder for them to feel original. While a tweak to the gameplay itself would open doors to these implementations.

[Jandor]

All the people who are even remotely upset that 5.0 won't have a new dps class really do astound me. DPS arguably have the most attention in the game and players still get upset when the spotlight isn't on them for like a split second.

Give them the tank excuses for 4.0.

No new DPS jobs because SE want to get existing DPS job balance to a better place.

No new DPS jobs because SE found players try new DPS jobs but then go back to their original role.

No new DPS jobs because SE are going to do big reworks of some existing DPS jobs.

I said some how because the leaker has be correct so far and they said Dancer would be a healer.

He specified blue mage is a DPS, I don't think he actually specified a role for the 'gunblade user' and dancer, people just assumed. It's a pretty safe bet dancer will be a healer, but it's not "confirmed" as such.

[Anselmet]

Unpopular opinion here :

We don't need a new healer. AST and SCH cover everything healing has to offer in FFXIV. And WHM is off that, but they promised a re-work. Anyway, if they want to keep healing as Shield vs Regen and soft buffs to the party, AST SCH and a topped up WHM would be enough.
Just like past a certain point, we won't need new jobs outside of the novelty of playing something else, because what we have covers what we need.
However, if they were to change the gameplay, maybe it would give more room to new jobs... or just to rework current jobs.

I feel that right now, any new job is just for the sake of it. Yet it's new content, so we give it a try regardless. I'm worried that too much jobs will eventually make it harder for them to feel original. While a tweak to the gameplay itself would open doors to these implementations.

Honestly you only listed my reasons as to WHY we need a new healer class. A fourth healer is a chance to break up the dichotomy with the healers. Of course, this would mean that DNC would have to come in with something new other than shields and regens. If not, then it will be a like you said, "just adding a class for the sake of it".

But that isn't necessarily bad if it does either shield and regens with a new flavor and not how ast was handled. But we shall see.

[Mansion]

Honestly you only listed my reasons as to WHY we need a new healer class. A fourth healer is a chance to break up the dichotomy with the healers. Of course, this would mean that DNC would have to come in with something new other than shields and regens. If not, then it will be a like you said, "just adding a class for the sake of it".

But that isn't necessarily bad if it does either shield and regens with a new flavor and not how ast was handled. But we shall see.

Yes but that's my point actually: breaking the dichotomy regen vs. shield is beyond jobs, it's the whoel healing system that needs to change (and the fights need to reflect that too). Once this is done, you can have various ways of healing and thus various healing jobs. For now, it will be Regen or Shield or "Lulz I canz do both".

They could also give all healers minimal shields and regens, then work on individual tweaks for job identity though.