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  1. #81
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    Jandor's Avatar
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    Tal Young
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    Cerberus
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mansion View Post
    Yes but that's my point actually: breaking the dichotomy regen vs. shield is beyond jobs, it's the whoel healing system that needs to change (and the fights need to reflect that too). Once this is done, you can have various ways of healing and thus various healing jobs. For now, it will be Regen or Shield or "Lulz I canz do both".

    They could also give all healers minimal shields and regens, then work on individual tweaks for job identity though.
    It's all about how you shield and heal, different journeys to the same destination.

    DPS jobs are just as simple in the end, you push buttons and the enemy HP bar goes down, that's all they do, all of them. But we get nine variations of it because different people find different methods of achieving that ultimately rather simple goal fun.
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  2. #82
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    Kogasan's Avatar
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    Eva Earlong
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    Louisoix
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Burningskull View Post
    I said some how because the leaker has be correct so far and they said Dancer would be a healer.
    I really hope your not correct dancer should be a dps not a healer.
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  3. #83
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    Fredco191's Avatar
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    Magni Henriksson
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    Diabolos
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    Viper Lv 100
    Honestly. I’m more concerned about what the male Viera will look like. Or if we’re even getting them..
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  4. #84
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    Mesarthim's Avatar
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    Rozemyne Shyahoro
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    Leviathan
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kogasan View Post
    I really hope your not correct dancer should be a dps not a healer.
    I don't understand why everything has to be a DPS for some people.
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  5. #85
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    Alaray's Avatar
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    Vevri Arctyria
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Vespar View Post
    How so? Because they look to be returning to the trinity? (Gunbreaker - tank, Blue Mage - DPS...?)
    DNC in XI was a DPS. I'd be cool with it being a support DPS or healer. Still I'd prefer a DPS with maybe whip or fans.
    To be honest, I feel like they have healing covered at this point. Mind you they also had tank covered too...
    If that's the case, they have DPS more than covered and all we should ever receive now are Limited Jobs.

    Please look forward to it.
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  6. #86
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    Sheriyana's Avatar
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    Namissa Minami
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    Balmung
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    Machinist Lv 100
    According to the dps every new job should be a dps, only dps can have variety, might as well turn all existing tank and healer jobs into dps too because god knows there's not enough dps jobs. Tanks and healers can just share a new peasant class that throws sticks and stones to heal and hold aggro while the dps get to flick their fingers to do nuclear explosions.

    Come on people, this has been going on at least since HW. "Dark knight should have been a dps", "samurai can't be a tank, must be a dps", "blue mage tank is stupid, needs to be dps", "gunblade is for dps jobs", "dancer has to be a dps". If you like the idea of a job and it's not a dps job, try it out and learn to play it anyway, tanking isn't that hard and neither is dungeon level healing. I personally find the game more fun too when I can occasionally dabble in other roles as well, that's where the real variety comes from.
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  7. #87
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    TitaniaZero's Avatar
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    De'anair'a Solanae
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    Hyperion
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Sheriyana View Post
    According to the dps every new job should be a dps, only dps can have variety, might as well turn all existing tank and healer jobs into dps too because god knows there's not enough dps jobs. Tanks and healers can just share a new peasant class that throws sticks and stones to heal and hold aggro while the dps get to flick their fingers to do nuclear explosions.

    Come on people, this has been going on at least since HW. "Dark knight should have been a dps", "samurai can't be a tank, must be a dps", "blue mage tank is stupid, needs to be dps", "gunblade is for dps jobs", "dancer has to be a dps". If you like the idea of a job and it's not a dps job, try it out and learn to play it anyway, tanking isn't that hard and neither is dungeon level healing. I personally find the game more fun too when I can occasionally dabble in other roles as well, that's where the real variety comes from.
    Tanking is not hard. Healing might not be either. You know what makes both hard. The Players. Random dungeon/trials/(raids?) always has one or two people unhappy with how either of the two roles are doing their things. Healers, DPS! Tanks! Pull to the boss! Don't worry. Neither of you will suffer greatly if neither of the two are exceptional with it.

    I refuse to tank for random people. I'll take the 20-40 min DPS queues thanks. You all can thank the other people who declare the right and wrong way to do things.

    That said. Since Gunbreaker is a Tank. It's mostly likely a given that the next Job is a Healer. There is no way they are giving tanka a new one and not healers, cause I do agree, these two roles do need something new. I've done PLD since ARR... I switched to DRK because hey, something new, PLD became very boring for me, I needed something new if I was going to continue tanking with my little group.
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  8. #88
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    Hazama999's Avatar
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    Momoida Jojoida
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    Halicarnassus
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 100
    I am honestly surprised at the apparent revulsion some people have towards certain roles. As if a job landing on the role of tank or healer completely condemns it to not be played by that person. As one of the commenters above me said, if it's a job you have the slightest inkling of interest in playing, pick it up regardless of role and give it a go.

    I understand people get apprehensive about certain roles but that shouldn't deter you. Give it a try! What's the worst that can happen? Some angry people online will type some angry words?
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    Last edited by Hazama999; 02-08-2019 at 07:41 PM.

  9. #89
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    Celef's Avatar
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    Aranie Crowley
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    Moogle
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    Conjurer Lv 81
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesarthim View Post
    I don't understand why everything has to be a DPS for some people.
    Because they won't play anything else so they think about their fun over the one of those willing to healing them and tank for them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watachy View Post
    C'était en fait SE qui survolait Ishgard sur une liasse de billets

    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    People don't know how to take criticism anymore, and bad play is rewarded with with a coddling mentality. Yes, this is a casual game for the most part - that doesn't mean people need to walk on eggshells in fear of getting reported for pointing out things. This whole 'please don't say anything even slightly negative' mentality that we seem to be going towards and the devs seemingly pushing towards it is creating a disturbing trend.

  10. #90
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    Jandor's Avatar
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    Tal Young
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    Cerberus
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TitaniaZero View Post
    You know what makes both hard. The Players. Random dungeon/trials/(raids?) always has one or two people unhappy with how either of the two roles are doing their things. Healers, DPS! Tanks! Pull to the boss! Don't worry. Neither of you will suffer greatly if neither of the two are exceptional with it.

    I refuse to tank for random people. I'll take the 20-40 min DPS queues thanks. You all can thank the other people who declare the right and wrong way to do things.
    Just ignore them? Try your best but at the end of the day who really cares what some rando you'll never see again thinks?

    It's rare it happens anyway but I personally find it hilarious when someone gets major face on in some uber casual content like a 4 man dungeon.
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    Last edited by Jandor; 02-08-2019 at 08:29 PM.

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