What if DNC is SHOMHOW a DPS?

[CaptainLagbeard]

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Well, FF XIV bard, their decision to link to the Archer class was fairly questionable.

And the whole class to job system stopped being a thing after ARR, but they probably can't go back and get rid of the base classes at this point... Kind of wonder would they do Bard differently if they could make it have nothing to do with Archer.



But overall, my main statement still remains that they should do a new Healer, but I don't think the new healer should be Dancer.

[loreleidiangelo]

I feel like the only healer main who would just shrug and move on with life if DNC were a DPS instead of a healer. I do tend to prioritize other stuff in game over having new stuff to level to level cap though, so there's that. If SBr comes with major content and job balance improvements I can't say I'd mind if there was no new healing job to level through it. If AST's healing went through the full design rework most of us want it to have I doubt I'd play another healer job again, really. It would be the perfect one for me. *_*

[InkstainedGwyn]

[DamianFatale]

Tanks, and Healers have their turn now

DPS has:

Black Mage
Red Mage
Summoner
Monk
Samurai
Ninja
Dragoon
Bard
Machinist

Tanks:

Paladin
Warrior
Dark Knight
Gunbreaker

Healer has:

White Mage
Scholar
Astrologian

DPS has nine options, and ten if you believe Blue Mage is dps. (Not everyone agrees on Blues role)

Pick any of those. I doubt you have spent a lot of time with every job. I've personally tried all three healers, and I'm bored. Three options for the last four years is getting to me.

Now if we get a new healer, and Square Enix decides they have time for a new dps job in addition to healer, and tank, then alright. You can have your dps then, or wait two more years. It won't hurt as much as four.

[wereotter]

Tanks, and Healers have their turn now

DPS has:

Black Mage
Red Mage
Summoner
Monk
Samurai
Ninja
Dragoon
Bard
Machinist

Tanks:

Paladin
Warrior
Dark Knight
Gunbreaker

Healer has:

White Mage
Scholar
Astrologian

DPS has nine options, and ten if you believe Blue Mage is dps. (Not everyone agrees on Blues role)

Pick any of those. I doubt you have spent a lot of time with every job. I've personally tried all three healers, and I'm bored. Three options for the last four years is getting to me.

Now if we get a new healer, and Square Enix decides they have time for a new dps job in addition to healer, and tank, then alright. You can have your dps then, or wait two more years. It won't hurt as much as four.

I'm not going to disagree that tanks and healers need new options. They do. But.... I do think it's important not to look at DPS as a catch-all role. The game divides them up into three seperate roles, and most DPS players generally prefer sticking with one or two of those roles, but don't play all three. There's melee, physical ranged, and magical ranged. If any job right now is under-represented in terms of choice, it's physical ranged, which also is one of the most popular roles considering the prevalence of bards in this game.

If we look at the rate of introduction of new jobs, we had:
ARR: Arcanist - Healer/Magical Ranged
Ninja - Melee
Dark Knight - Tank
Astro - Healer
Machinist - Physical Ranged
Samurai - Melee
Red Mage - Magical Ranged
Blue Mage - Magical Ranged

Tanks and healers definitely have had a long wait since getting a new job to play, so I do think it's time, but I also think that physical ranged is about due for a new job as well. I can say this, as someone who plays melee classes, I can completely understand the wait as I had nothing new to play from the introduction of ninja to the introduction of samurai. I don't think you should be asked to wait another expansion cycle to get a new job, and think the 5 job types should be rotated through as equally as possible.

Calling dancers dps in tactics would be like calling white mages tanks in tactics because sometimes stuff might hit them.

Dancers debuffed. I guess they also moved around too, but they didnt really have to do that, because dances hit everyone.

I don't see what that has to do with the argument that the dancer in FFT provided an offensive support role as opposed to a defensive or healing role. It just reinforces the idea of dancer as a support DPS job as opposed to a healer.

[Amaya-Asha]

I played whm as my main from arr - sb then switch to ast cause wanted a changed and loved it. sch I suck at it. Whm changed but I didn't like it anymore. For a lot of us who prefer healing as main job dancer as healing class would be something refreshing to try. And totally get why Dps want dancer but us long term healers want something new.

I don't post often mostly lurk but had to say something

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

I'd be like /shrug "ok, guess I'll play another job."

Ya sure you would come back and say that when you main a healer for 6 months and 1 out of 5 partys stand in flames or bleed zone then yell at you while you get jack lol

[Hazama999]

Ya sure you would come back and say that when you main a healer for 6 months and 1 out of 5 partys stand in flames or bleed zone then yell at you while you get jack lol

That... has nothing to do with what I said... lol.

[InkstainedGwyn]

I don't know what the %s are of people that main DPS that now main SAM or RDM, but it doesn't matter - new DPS gave them something new to play with, experiment with, level, enjoy. Even if a RDM player went back to SMN or BRD or whatever their main was, they still had a new toy.

That's what we want - a new toy. Not even two, like DPS got with SB. Even if half the healer mains went back to their current class after playing/levelling DNC, it still would have given them something new to play with and enjoy. So many people saying "healers wouldn't switch" or "it wouldn't be my main" - okay? It doesn't have to be. It's just another option for us. Why is the expectation that DPS can sandbox their 9 classes, playing whatever they want at will, but healers and tanks should only get a new class if it's going to be The Best and we're all going to switch to it?

I won't stop being AST main, for many reasons (one of which is that I love the class - I hope they don't completely restructure it. But I'm still looking forward to playing around with a new class. Who knows? It might become a tie for my favourite.

[WhiteArchmage]

I'll go "oh, cool" and not have to worry about never using it in Savage because it's likely our healers won't switch just because I wanna dance. If it IS indeed a healer, I'll ask very nicely if they'll let me heal the 5.x raid tiers :P