Rngs unfair advantage granted 2 dps

[KageTokage]

The main changes I'd want to see loot wise in 5.x are the removal of the random token system for normal raids (Just let us get a generic token guaranteed so we don't have to spam normal raids until we get something) and a reduction in the number of books needed to purchase savage gear.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

Plus i rlly didnt want to say this however

Healers and tanks should get gear more often than dps anyways due the fact we pretty much do all the hard work while dps is like meha.
Atleast tanks can get a mount out of it but healers get jack

[Ilan]

[Kleeya]

But tanks and healers already get more gears than dps. When something drop it can be :

- a tank one;
- a healer one;
- a dps one.

We can conclude that tanks and healers have a 2/3 (66%) chance of getting something for them, while dps have only 1/3 (33%). If you dont agree with me, that's because you dont know how to do basic maths.

Or that i twisted things by lumping tanks and heals drops together, like you do for all the different dps ones XD

[SpiritMuse]

So at its most basic level, you're right.

If we take:

1 blue marble for tank gear
1 green marble for healer gear
5 red marbles for dps gear

There is indeed a bigger chance for a red marble to drop than a blue or green one.

However, a crucial detail here is that not all red marbles are the same color red. There isn't one universal "dps gear". There are 5 different kinds that are each only suitable for 1 or 2 jobs and as useless to the other dps jobs as they are to tanks and healers.

So adding that to our calculation we have:

1 blue marble for fending gear
1 green marble for healing gear
1 blood red marble for maiming gear
1 rolanberry red marble for casting gear
1 wine red marble for aiming gear
1 rust red marble for scouting gear
1 dalamud red marble for striking gear

Now, because we have 7 different colors, there is a 1/7 chance for every color to drop. Sure, 5 of those 7 might be a variety of red, but they're still not the same color. The chance for, say, wine red to drop is still 1/7, and for someone who needs wine red, rolanberry red is still a completely useless drop even though it's also red.

[Beckett]

So at its most basic level, you're right.

If we take:

1 blue marble for tank gear
1 green marble for healer gear
5 red marbles for dps gear

There is indeed a bigger chance for a red marble to drop than a blue or green one.

However, a crucial detail here is that not all red marbles are the same color red. There isn't one universal "dps gear". There are 5 different kinds that are each only suitable for 1 or 2 jobs and as useless to the other dps jobs as they are to tanks and healers.

So adding that to our calculation we have:

1 blue marble for fending gear
1 green marble for healing gear
1 blood red marble for maiming gear
1 rolanberry red marble for casting gear
1 wine red marble for aiming gear
1 rust red marble for scouting gear
1 dalamud red marble for striking gear

Now, because we have 7 different colors, there is a 1/7 chance for every color to drop. Sure, 5 of those 7 might be a variety of red, but they're still not the same color. The chance for, say, wine red to drop is still 1/7, and for someone who needs wine red, rolanberry red is still a completely useless drop even though it's also red.

I'm pretty sure OP has reached their daily posting limit, so let me refute this argument in their place;

But maths tho!

[Nekohauscat]

Uhm, wat. Everyone does the same in Dungeons.. killing trash and killing "more HP Trash" lmfao.
Spamming decimate/gravitas/holy/AD isnt really harder than spamming aoe moves on a DPS, correct me if im wrong though.

Plus i rlly didnt want to say this however

Healers and tanks should get gear more often than dps anyways due the fact we pretty much do all the hard work while dps is like meha.
Atleast tanks can get a mount out of it but healers get jack

[Seraphor]

Wow, someone who can barely speak english attempting to lecture people on 'maths'.

So at its most basic level, you're right.

If we take:

1 blue marble for tank gear
1 green marble for healer gear
5 red marbles for dps gear

There is indeed a bigger chance for a red marble to drop than a blue or green one.

However, a crucial detail here is that not all red marbles are the same color red. There isn't one universal "dps gear". There are 5 different kinds that are each only suitable for 1 or 2 jobs and as useless to the other dps jobs as they are to tanks and healers.

So adding that to our calculation we have:

1 blue marble for fending gear
1 green marble for healing gear
1 blood red marble for maiming gear
1 rolanberry red marble for casting gear
1 wine red marble for aiming gear
1 rust red marble for scouting gear
1 dalamud red marble for striking gear

Now, because we have 7 different colors, there is a 1/7 chance for every color to drop. Sure, 5 of those 7 might be a variety of red, but they're still not the same color. The chance for, say, wine red to drop is still 1/7, and for someone who needs wine red, rolanberry red is still a completely useless drop even though it's also red.

This is basically it. No matter what role you're playing, you're still only playing one job and can still only make use of one gearset.
And while there might be five varieties of DPS gear, every single gearset has the same 1/7 chance of dropping.

If anything, Tanks and Healers get the slightly better deal, because every party is guaranteed to have a tank and a healer to make use of those items. If Fending or Healing gear drops then at least someone can make use of it, meanwhile if a Maiming gear drops, your Bard and Black Mage are as out of luck as the tank and healer, so no one benefits from it.

[DevonEllwood]

There will always be more "dps" drops because there's more dps classes in the game than tanks or healers. Unless you want to delete dps jobs, there is no way to get what you want fairly.

[miraidensetsu]

But you are way wealthier as a tank and healer due to the bonuses you get from roulettes.
I am greeding everything, exchanging it for seals and selling the company materials for extra gil to spend on eq i want.

Um... Those bonus is almost always only for tanks. As a healer main, I almost never see that juicy "Adventurer in need (Healer)". Its always tanks and more often DPS.