Rngs unfair advantage granted 2 dps

[Metalwrath]

It only makes a difference in bigger parties with more than one tank/healer. For example, if the dps jobs are DRG/BRD/NIN/SMN they all have a 1/7 chance to get their armor but the healers and tanks have 1/14 because they also have to win the roll.

Thats a very situational argument though and can only really be applied with 8man content.
With 24 man raids you only have 1 tank,5 dps and 2 healers.In this situation atleast 2 dps are guarnteed to have to roll against each other.You'll still have 2 healers rolling vs each other.In this situation drops actually favor the tank.

[Reinha]

Thats a very situational argument though and can only really be applied with 8man content.
With 24 man raids you only have 1 tank,5 dps and 2 healers.In this situation atleast 2 dps are guarnteed to have to roll against each other.You'll still have 2 healers rolling vs each other.In this situation drops actually favor the tank.

True. On the other hand tanks tend to have the longest queue for 24 mans so that kind of evens things out.

I do think the fairest loot system would be to have token drops for every gear slot instead of gear drops. Everyone could equally roll for Generic Belt Token. This system already exists as "Antique Mail/Helm/etc" tokens which drop in Snowcloak and a couple of other dungeons. I'm not sure why it wasn't continued.

[Metalwrath]

True. On the other hand tanks tend to have the longest queue for 24 mans so that kind of evens things out.

I do think the fairest loot system would be to have token drops for every gear slot instead of gear drops. Everyone could equally roll for Generic Belt Token. This system already exists as "Antique Mail/Helm/etc" tokens which drop in Snowcloak and a couple of other dungeons. I'm not sure why it wasn't continued.

Token drops are a horrible system.They should have never been brought in on any content.They'd be better having thegear drop as normal but throw in a bunch of random aetheric gear as drops from bosses and chests on top of the loot.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

Loot they can't use if they don't have the job leveled and which they have an equal chance of getting along with the healer and tank. By your own logic healer and tank count. Or did you forget healer and tanks can greed on loot?

This isnt about rolls its about chance of item appearing from chest

[Enla]

This isnt about rolls its about chance of item appearing from chest

Which is still pretty nonsensical because that gear can't always be equipped due to roles within the DPS line up. Every role gets an equal chance to get gear they can /equip/. From the sounds of things you're just upset healer gear isn't the priority when both tank and healer combined only make up 6 classes to DPS' 9. Which is in and of itself an unfair proposition. Everyone here has had to deal with not getting the loot they want. Deal with it like the rest of us.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

Just because a dungeon has a higher chance of dropping a DPS item in general doesn't mean that item is at all useful to the DPS in the party. If you have a 24-man raid group that consists of a monk, dragoon, summoner, and two red mages as your DPS, that means any scouting, striking, or aiming gear is useless to everyone in the party at that particular moment (not to say that people in the party might not want it still for other jobs, but it does mean the more likely than not, that gear is going to fall on the floor)

Your analysis would be accurate if and only if all DPS gear was interchangeable, but it's not. I can say that I have spent dozens of runs attempting to get just one item to even drop that my main can wear in the 24-main raids, and half the time when it does, I'm not the only DPS in the team that can roll "need" on the item, and about half the time, I lose my roll. Sure other DPS gear might drop, but that gear is just as useless to me as it is to the tank/healer attempting to get gear for their job.

Again roll isn't the issue.


The issue is in 1 chest there are 5 chances for dps vs 1 healer and tank item

[wereotter]

Again roll isn't the issue.


The issue is in 1 chest there are 5 chances for dps vs 1 healer and tank item

. <---- here's the point




-----> here's you

It doesn't matter if the item in the chest is equippable by a DPS job in general if the DPS in your party can't use it. At that point it's just as much a dead roll item to them as it is to you. Every job needs the same odds of getting gear. If we went by your proposed solution then we'd see this type of distrubition in gear drops:

Fending: 33%
Healing: 33%
Casting: 7%
Aiming: 7%
Striking: 7%
Maiming: 6%
Scouting: 6%

Tell me how it would be fair at that point for a ninja to have to do 6x the number of runs to even see a drop as a tank or a healer? It's not about the three roles a person can fill in party content, it's about how easily every JOB can get gear appropriate to it. You can't lump all DPS together and just say "this is DPS gear, therefore it's for all DPS"

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

I sware ppl need 2 learn basic math

[Gwenorai]

Okay, I know this is bait but I have to say this.
If 20 people say you're wrong and you are the only person saying you're right in regards to basic mathematics that have been proven and not something that can be equated to the 'the earth is flat' vs 'the earth is round' argument.
Statistically; who is more likely to be right? The 20 or the lone 1.