Please no more Eureka!

[Gralna]

The extreme rarity. Although I'm not a huge fan of cramming hairstyles and emotes behind PvP either (it's basically the same thing of forcing people who want them to do content they hate), at least those are obtainable to anyone who puts in the effort. You could farm forever and still not get a shiver emote. It might be the rarest item in the game. Or maybe that's the Elvaan minion from Pyros. It's completely absurd, and frankly I've gotten sick of the constant tease with new items in live letters and patch notes only to find they are basically unobtainable. Now any time they mention there being new hairstyles I don't get excited at all, I just wonder what kind of awful BS I'll have to trudge through to attempt to get it.

Depending your wallet, shiver emote can be sure easy to get along with most rewards from eureka. Only one mount, barding and a couple glams can't be listed on MB. Everything else can be bought without stepping a foot into eureka.

[Fawkes]

Depending your wallet, shiver emote can be sure easy to get along with most rewards from eureka. Only one mount, barding and a couple glams can't be listed on MB. Everything else can be bought without stepping a foot into eureka.

No, it can't. There has to be one for sale in order to buy it. And even then it costs more than twice what the rarest mount from HoH sells for. It is completely absurd. With how rare it is it might as well not even be in the game.

[Alucard135]

This relic can be the best weapon if you are the luckiest sob because the stats are not getting chosen by you, they are generated randomly which makes this weapon absolutly horrible as a relic.

When you say best weapon, are you referring to having 1000 substats? The question in that case then is why do you want that? What's the purpose outside of raiding? If you're referring to having substats equivalent to the raid and tome weapon, then it's not hard at all. I already got my RDM weapon with substats that are higher than my O12s weapon. When they added the random substats, it's because it gives you a chance of having something that can be really OP if you're lucky. But then again, if you're not raiding or doing any hardcore content, why are you fixated on getting the best stats if you already have alternatives that you can just glamour the relic over that can do the job? Like the ilvl 400 tome weapon that I used to clear O12s.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Well, the numbers were about those at level cap in Pyros. Also, the solo light farming made it easier for a lot to get through it. I know a lot who created multiple relics in Pagos in a single day by doing it. But that's too late now, since SE considers it a violation of TOS and an exploit to do it with the new TOS. I don't know how nerfed the light farm is in Pagos right now, since that's the only map I hate in Eureka and I rarely go there.

Getting light in Pagos IMO is a breeze now. Especially if you plan on doing multiple relics because you gain a very noticeable amount from just doing NM's for more crystals, louhi ice, or drops like the optic hat or cassie earring. (Though I cant recall an instance that actually tried to pop cassie after the first week.)

[Lambdafish]

With how rare it is it might as well not even be in the game.

So wait for it to be redistributed in 5.0 or 6.0, like most rewards do. Let people who like Eureka have their rewards and content to aim for. Complaining that you can't get X reward because Eureka is actually entitled.

I think its very kind of SE to allow Eureka drops to be sold on the MB, and gives Eureka more value as a money making machine (which it is, and I love it). Take note SE, make more rewards rare and sellable.

[Ilan]

When you say best weapon, are you referring to having 1000 substats? The question in that case then is why do you want that? What's the purpose outside of raiding? If you're referring to having substats equivalent to the raid and tome weapon, then it's not hard at all. I already got my RDM weapon with substats that are higher than my O12s weapon. When they added the random substats, it's because it gives you a chance of having something that can be really OP if you're lucky. But then again, if you're not raiding or doing any hardcore content, why are you fixated on getting the best stats if you already have alternatives that you can just glamour the relic over that can do the job? Like the ilvl 400 tome weapon that I used to clear O12s.

My friend i was strictly answering to the post i've quoted so don't come with "For what?" or "Why?" because this weapon will only be the best if you get lucky when you are rolling the stats and get the best possible stats and not some random stuff that a lot of people got and no i'm not even talking about the 1000 substats. I merely stated that fact nothing more and nothing less.

[Alleo]

This is how I read the situation:

Playerbase: We are sick of the same tired formula over and over again, 3.0 relic was exactly the same grind.

Devs: Acknowledges feedback and changes things up

And its great that they tried something new. But that does not mean the playerbase has to like it. And if a lot of people from the playerbase dont like it then they should try something new in 5.0 again. Heck right now thanks to the statistics we do know that even only 18% of the JP playerbase has reached lvl cap in pyros and that is the playerbase that seemingly love to grind and that does try to do every content in the game. Yet even for those its just niche content. One could argue that the numbers are not much higher for Anima (which we cant truly compare because in those eureka numbers are probably quite a lot of people without a relic too) but at least that was cheaper content to produce.

The old relic steps were not the greatest thing ever. Especially those parts with bad RNG. But at least everyone could work towards it on their own time without the need to go into special content and grind there first before they can start the relic grind and kinda need a group but without the luxury of just queueing up. I dont even know how someone will be able to do any of the SB relics in 5.0 or later while you can do it for all the older ones quite well.

Reaching 50 at Pyros can be used as a metric to determine who got the relic and who will eventually. Because what's gonna stop them once they hit level cap? If you're gonna say the 30 logos actions (not 50), then that's one interesting lazy+dedicated combo right there. Just reaching 50 via leveling by bunnies or chains will give you enough amount already to get that. And if someone was only focusing on NMs, they still drop logograms even if not that much. But the price of logograms in the market board right now has dropped really hard (I can buy conceptual for 500gil each). So it's very easy to get 30 actions.

Even if you wanna go with the route of using the numbers to determine who reached a milestone in each content, the fact that the number of those who got the Anima minion is still lower in some regions after 2 years of it being released says a lot on how enjoyable it was and how many are willing to do it. So the numbers do speak for themselves in many ways.


Can you find someone who reached level cap at Pyros and would never bother getting the relic reward? That's like getting a free gift and refusing it after how easy it is once you hit level cap.

It could of course be that all those that reached 50 in Pyros will have at least one relic weapon but it also does not have to be, so until we have a direct number that shows the relics, we still cant compare the numbers. (And no I dont know anyone that is lvl 50 on Pyros because those that I know are not truly playing it and I stopped at Anemos)

At least I can tell my own view: I solely went into Anemos to try it out and to get the T-Rex mount. Just for farming for that I somehow got one step of the relic weapon done. But after I got my reward I stopped doing Eureka because it was just not fun for me. IMO I can see quite a few people that simply run this for the story, for mounts, for emotes and more. And since the leveling up part was never the hardest thing in it anyway, it would not be surprising if some that grinded for a mount or emote somehow reached 50 but never touched the relic quest because they dont want it. Or maybe some where just looking forward to the public dungeon and to do that they would need to go through all the other content first.

Thus why I said that you cant just simply compare them. First we dont know how many people truly did their Anima after it was recent, maybe most of the numbers are from the time it came out. Then we dont know how many people have the Eureka relic thus it could either be quite high or maybe even quite low.

The only thing we can truly use the numbers from Eureka is to see if its well liked or not. If the majority of people truly loved it, like some has pointed out then we would have more people on lvl 50 simply because its one of the only casual endgame content and we are right now at a time where we dont have much other stuff to do. Yet even JP only reached around 18% for Pyros. Its niche content. And most of the niche content like Ultimate normally reuse assets because it makes it faster and cheaper to produce. Eureka does not feel like it was cheap or fast thus if they plan to do this in 5.0 too, how much other content will be cut thanks to that?

[Alucard135]

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The same thing can be said about Anima relics. Obtaining the minion doesn't necessarily mean you got the final Lux version, since it's one of the prerequisite quests to start the quest "Best Friends Forever" that will get you the Lux version. Someone might only want the minion, so they stopped after getting it. We can't tell how many got their final relic in that case. Maybe a lot just did it for minion, maybe not.

But anyhow, We can still use the numbers as a definite mean of determining how many players reached a milestone in each content. And since the number of those who went through all the way to the minion stage of the Anima is still that low compared to Eureka after all these years, then I highly question those who say the previous relic quest style was more successful.

[Lacan]

The funny thing is... I hated eureka when I first started with it, but now that I'm almost finished with pagos I've started to like it. I don't know what that means. Maybe it is Stockholm syndrome?

[Ilan]

The funny thing is... I hated eureka when I first started with it, but now that I'm almost finished with pagos I've started to like it. I don't know what that means. Maybe it is Stockholm syndrome?

Nah your tolerance for mental and physical pain increased drasticly during your time in pagos and you just don't realize anymore how painful this is actually to do.