Please no more Eureka!

[Reynhart]

Then what do you call players who play every waking moment but don't touch any of the harder content? They're not hardcore because they don't do savage, they're not midcore because they don't do ex primals, according to you they're not even casual. Mr. Happy calls these people hardcore casuals and I think it's a good term for people like these, of which I consider myself to be a part of as well.

In some previous post, I called us "Grinders". The problem I see with "hardcore casuals" is that they're far closer to "hardcore dedication" than "casual dedication".

Yeah, there is definitely different types of casual play. It doesn't always come down to how much someone plays, but how they play in the time that they do.

There are different types of hardcore play. It doesn't really feel appropriate to call the PvP season winner a "casual" if he simply doesn't raid.

[Vahlnir]

In some previous post, I called us "Grinders". The problem I see with "hardcore casuals" is that they're far closer to "hardcore dedication" than "casual dedication".

There are different types of hardcore play. It doesn't really feel appropriate to call the PvP season winner a "casual" if he simply doesn't raid.

K. Glad we got that sorted out.

[Sheriyana]

In some previous post, I called us "Grinders". The problem I see with "hardcore casuals" is that they're far closer to "hardcore dedication" than "casual dedication".

There are different types of hardcore play. It doesn't really feel appropriate to call the PvP season winner a "casual" if he simply doesn't raid.

And how does it not count as hardcore dedication if they play more than some actually hardcore players who do savage and ex primals and all that? Obviously a hardcore PvPer wouldn't be called a casual, he'd be called a hardcore PvPer, I think that distinction is allowed since one is hardcore in PvE content and the other in PvP, I wouldn't call either any less hardcore.

You can call them grinders or whatever you want but in general the vast majority of the playerbase is considered casual and I can assure you most of them aren't only people who play 2 hours a week like you seem to suggest as the only definition for a casual player besides not doing harder content.

[Lambdafish]

Obviously a hardcore PvPer wouldn't be called a casual, he'd be called a hardcore PvPer, I think that distinction is allowed since one is hardcore in PvE content and the other in PvP, I wouldn't call either any less hardcore.

Its almost as though Hardcore content vs. Casual content is a misnomer created by the community. Hardcore players exist, as do casual players, but content is not created for them. Content is created with a spectrum in mind. Hardcore raiders do the hardest raids, casual players do the NM and 24 man raids, hardcore PVPers do ranked feast, casual PVPers do frontlines, Hardcore Eurekans do BA and min max their gear, casual Eurekans fate grind and get their weapon at their own pace.

[Imuka]

Its almost as though Hardcore content vs. Casual content is a misnomer created by the community. Hardcore players exist, as do casual players, but content is not created for them. Content is created with a spectrum in mind. Hardcore raiders do the hardest raids, casual players do the NM and 24 man raids, hardcore PVPers do ranked feast, casual PVPers do frontlines, Hardcore Eurekans do BA and min max their gear, casual Eurekans fate grind and get their weapon at their own pace.

And this is something that starts to bore me out in 14. Easy Mode and Hard Mode.
There is nearly nothing in between.
Maybe the single ex Primal per Patch.
Either you go for Savage and mostly need a Static or you go for the 24 Player Raids, that are just faceroll Content.
Expert Roulette is from my View even for the most casual Players underchallenging in every way.

Sometimes, all you want is a Dungeon, that is a bit more challenging and requires you to play serious, but you do not need to tryhard the whole time.

[Awful]

And this is something that starts to bore me out in 14. Easy Mode and Hard Mode.
There is nearly nothing in between.
Maybe the single ex Primal per Patch.
Either you go for Savage and mostly need a Static or you go for the 24 Player Raids, that are just faceroll Content.
Expert Roulette is from my View even for the most casual Players underchallenging in every way.

Sometimes, all you want is a Dungeon, that is a bit more challenging and requires you to play serious, but you do not need to tryhard the whole time.

I agree I wish we had something in the middle for Mid-Core players this game is sorely lacking it, the game goes from handholding to Savage where it's night and day. I honestly wish we had something like Mythic+ in FFXIV from WoW that way you can have a challenge while having rewards and gear while providing weekly challenges, there has to be a middle ground.

[Imuka]

I agree I wish we had something in the middle for Mid-Core players this game is sorely lacking it, the game goes from handholding to Savage where it's night and day. I honestly wish we had something like Mythic+ in FFXIV from WoW that way you can have a challenge while having rewards and gear while providing weekly challenges, there has to be a middle ground.

And the Devs try to fill this Gap in a bad way at the moment, from my View.
They try to simplify Savage so much, that it becomes something people call Midcore Content.

But with this Strategy they do it wrong on both ends.
Midcore Players do not want Savage to be their Midcore Content, because you often still need a Static and can just play it once per Week.
And the Raiders feel underchallenged and clear it in less than 2 days.

Nobody feels satisfied with that in any way.

More difficult Dungeons would be a really good solution for this Problem.
Call it Roulette Expert+.
I would rework Dungeons from all over the Patches of the last Years. Not just from the last Addon we got.
I think, many people would like to replay older Dungeons with a higher difficulty.

Maybe 1-2 per Patch and just let that List expand over time.
And when we hit more than 10 Dungeons just let them rotate, so that there are always 10 Maps, but not the same ones every day.
I have seen people say "Oh gosh, just 2 Dungeons and we got the same one 4 times in a row".
But I can not imagine a Person saying "Oh gosh, there are just to many Dungeons in this Roulette. Pls SE reduce the Number from 10 to 2 so that we can play the same over and over again.".


Also some of the Stages of something like HoH or Potd could be seen as Midcore Content, but they are locked behind dozens of Stages of Brain Afk boredom with RNG Layers.

[Soupa]

Also some of the Stages of something like HoH or Potd could be seen as Midcore Content, but they are locked behind dozens of Stages of Brain Afk boredom with RNG Layers.

As someone with 5 HoH clears under their belt, HoH is midcore content and the more difficult dungeons you are seeking. I don’t know where you’re getting that it’s rng based, its pretty straightforward if you’re familiar with mechanics and how the dungeon works.

[Reynhart]

And how does it not count as hardcore dedication if they play more than some actually hardcore players who do savage and ex primals and all that?

It counts as hardcore dedication, that's the point. And the reason why the relic being for people "who don't raid" doesn't mean it was a weapon "for casuals".

You can call them grinders or whatever you want but in general the vast majority of the playerbase is considered casual and I can assure you most of them aren't only people who play 2 hours a week like you seem to suggest as the only definition for a casual player besides not doing harder content.

And the vast majority of the playerbase still don't have any relic weapon past or present.

[Sheriyana]

It counts as hardcore dedication, that's the point. And the reason why the relic being for people "who don't raid" doesn't mean it was a weapon "for casuals".

And the vast majority of the playerbase still don't have any relic weapon past or present.

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I'd say plenty of casual players have gotten a relic, even the most casual can easily finish an anima or two with very little daily play as long as they keep playing the game. I don't have any numbers on how many people have done any sort of relic but I'd imagine the majority at least attempt to make one.

Anyway, this hardly has anything to do with the topic at hand anymore, best let the Eureka discussion resume.