Please no more Eureka!

[Leanna]

Sure remove stuff from normal raids and savage and ultimate while we're at it

They are incentives just look at HoH as something that had lower incentives and died faster because of it Eureka isn't for everyone devs didn't even intend for it to be their mistake was tying the relic solely in Eureka if there was a separate weapon for Eureka but the relic had its old formula which btw was asked on many occasions to have unique stuff to do for it kinda got that wish just not how people were asking for it hey ho can't change that now

Thing is, raids, savage and ultimate is actually fun and engaging content. I do know many people who cleared Ultimate not for tittles or weapons but to try it and have fun with a more challenging content. And in my case, I only bother with savage when the glamour is worth the effort or the tier is fun/interesting (Alexander the Creator was and still is my favorite raid and I would run it any day if I could for the fun. I also run Orbonne with my partner even when we already looted because it's a fun alliance raid.

About HoH, it had expiration date, and no value for people out of leveling classes from 61 to 70.

As said, remove relic/hairstyles/furniture/emotes from Eureka then we talk about how only four cats are doing Eureka for "fun".

[Crushnight]

Thing is, raids, savage and ultimate is actually fun and engaging content. I do know many people who cleared Ultimate not for tittles or weapons but to try it and have fun with a more challenging content. And in my case, I only bother with savage when the glamour is worth the effort or the tier is fun/interesting (Alexander the Creator was and still is my favorite raid and I would run it any day if I could for the fun. I also run Orbonne with my partner even when we already looted because it's a fun alliance raid.

About HoH, it had expiration date, and no value for people out of leveling classes from 61 to 70.

As said, remove relic/hairstyles/furniture/emotes from Eureka then we talk about how only four cats are doing Eureka for "fun".

Fun is very subjective there are those that find Eureka fun and those that find raiding boring and any other combination under the sun out there just because you find it not fun (ik most people don't find it fun) doesn't mean there can't be carrots there for people who do just like raiding has its carrots.
The big design flaw was tieing the relic to it if it was a unique Eureka weapon there would be far less flac on it but the reason the relic went in there wasn't to make sure it was populated but because of player demand that wanted the relic to have unique assets tied to it like the base ARR relic did which was asked for years throughout both ARR and HW relic questlines.

[Gralna]

As said, remove relic/hairstyles/furniture/emotes from Eureka then we talk about how only four cats are doing Eureka for "fun".

And again, outside of relic all of those can be bought from MB by people that list that do enjoy Eureka, which is far better than rewards from pvp which you have no method of getting outside of pvp.

Fun is very subjective there are those that find Eureka fun and those that find raiding boring and any other combination under the sun out there just because you find it not fun (ik most people don't find it fun) doesn't mean there can't be carrots there for people who do just like raiding has its carrots.
The big design flaw was tieing the relic to it if it was a unique Eureka weapon there would be far less flac on it but the reason the relic went in there wasn't to make sure it was populated but because of player demand that wanted the relic to have unique assets tied to it like the base ARR relic did which was asked for years throughout both ARR and HW relic questlines.

Completely agree, I'd have no issue at all if they took Relic out of Eureka as long as we still got weapons/armor since it is nice to have another avenue to gear up from outside of dungeons/raids/crafting. However even without them I'd still grind out Eureka since it is content I enjoy, just like I know there are people that spends weeks grinding out raids to get items they want because they enjoy it.

We all have ways that we enjoy this game, can't we just let everyone do what they find fun and be happy for them?

[Alucard135]

About HoH, it had expiration date, and no value for people out of leveling classes from 61 to 70.

HoH has a value when you reach floors 31 - 100 if you want the pony mount and the rare drops from you can only get after floor 30 (like the dodo mount). It's not just for leveling. Take the rewards out and why would people bother doing it up to floor 100 more than once?

And in my case, I only bother with savage when the glamour is worth the effort or the tier is fun/interesting (Alexander the Creator was and still is my favorite raid and I would run it any day if I could for the fun. I also run Orbonne with my partner even when we already looted because it's a fun alliance raid.

There you go, you would only bother with doing a hard content like savage if it's worth the effort (e.g. when it becomes unsynced I would assume). So what if there were no rewards from savage? Orbonne is fun but how many times would you actually do it if there was 0 rewards for it? For me, I only did it three times in total. First time for the clear and two times to help friends. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who wouldn't bother doing it that much if it weren't for the rewards. But I don't consider them as bad content because of that.

[Leanna]

HoH has a value when you reach floors 31 - 100 if you want the pony mount and the rare drops from you can only get after floor 30 (like the dodo mount). It's not just for leveling. Take the rewards out and why would people bother doing it up to floor 100 more than once?



There you go, you would only bother with doing a hard content like savage if it's worth the effort (e.g. when it becomes unsynced I would assume). So what if there were no rewards from savage? Orbonne is fun but how many times would you actually do it if there was 0 rewards for it? For me, I only did it three times in total. First time for the clear and two times to help friends. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who wouldn't bother doing it that much if it weren't for the rewards. But I don't consider them as bad content because of that.

You wish, with HoH having expiration date I meant that there is no reason to do it outside of leveling once you clear floor 100 five times, but guess what, HoH atleast serves a purpose, and in 5.0 it will be more active than Eureka at any point in time because people will go to level the new classes there. Eureka will be dead, forever, because it serves no purpose, at all.

And about savage, just an example, I did clear the tier of God Kefka up to Guardian first week with pugs in PF and second week I bothered looking for a static because I liked the glamours, I only bother looking for statics to do savage if the glamour is worth or the raid is actually something fun and special and not just two more mechanics than normal mode.

[Alucard135]

You wish, with HoH having expiration date I meant that there is no reason to do it outside of leveling once you clear floor 100 five times, but guess what, HoH atleast serves a purpose, and in 5.0 it will be more active than Eureka at any point in time because people will go to level the new classes there. Eureka will be dead, forever, because it serves no purpose, at all.

And about savage, just an example, I did clear the tier of God Kefka up to Guardian first week with pugs in PF and second week I bothered looking for a static because I liked the glamours, I only bother looking for statics to do savage if the glamour is worth or the raid is actually something fun and special and not just two more mechanics than normal mode.

There is a reason to do HoH after five times. I know some that do weekly runs to floor 100 to get loot that they can sell for high amounts of gil. If HoH had no mount reward for clearing floor 100 multiple times, would you have done it more than once? reward is what gets people to do the content, what you consider as a reward may differ from what others consider as a reward for doing a content. So if you wanna strip Eureka from all rewards, we might as well strip savage from glamour rewards, mounts and weapons. And for the savage part, would you do a tier more than once if there was no glamour rewards to obtain EVEN if the mechanics are fun? Maybe you didn't like this tier's glamour, but the mechanics are super fun compared to normal mode. Have you given it a try?

[Leanna]

There is a reason to do HoH after five times. I know some that do weekly runs to floor 100 to get loot that they can sell for high amounts of gil. If HoH had no mount reward for clearing floor 100 multiple times, would you have done it more than once? reward is what gets people to do the content, what you consider as a reward may differ from what others consider as a reward for doing a content. So if you wanna strip Eureka from all rewards, we might as well strip savage from glamour rewards, mounts and weapons. And for the savage part, would you do a tier more than once if there was no glamour rewards to obtain EVEN if the mechanics are fun? Maybe you didn't like this tier's glamour, but the mechanics are super fun compared to normal mode. Have you given it a try?

Savage still doesn't stop SE from making other content.

[Alucard135]

Savage still doesn't stop SE from making other content.

Hallway simulator dungeons did though lol.