Please no more Eureka!

[Lacan]

I just wish so many people didn't just stand around in eureka drooling with their mouths open waiting for the bunny fate to respawn. Then they book it to the NMs whenever they spawn without ever lifting a finger to help spawn.

The bunny fates were a mistake.

[TalithaSolarien]

I just wish so many people didn't just stand around in eureka drooling with their mouths open waiting for the bunny fate to respawn. Then they book it to the NMs whenever they spawn without ever lifting a finger to help spawn.

The bunny fates were a mistake.

Assuming you are talking about Pyros you have to understand why people are camping the bunny FATE (only the southern one, nobody in his right mind does the northern one): it's the only reliable way of gathering logos boxes. NM's drop them too rarely and killing Sprites at your level is extremly dangerous unless to happen to be in a group of players at the same level.

The whole logos drop system was badly designed.

[Leanna]

Everyone keeps saying the same but I don't see how the existence of Eureka prevents you from socializing with other players in any other content. SE didn't remove the chat from the game, when I go to Eureka for whatever reason, shout is only people asking questions, asking for ress and not much else, I don't see where is the enhanced socialization in Eureka that everyone talks about. I see more people talking in dungeons/raids/cities than in Eureka.

And people complaining about run older content when the only thing that Eureka offers is grind the same mob for hours and run from Fate to Fate all the time, I don't know what is wrong with you. When friends who bothered with light farm say they grinded dragons in Pagos for 8 hours everyday for a week for just one weapon, and the random stats of Pyros, I don't see how this makes Eureka any good that do older content that you wouldn't do again otherwise.

Really looking for someone to explain and elaborate on this (not you stalker and princess), because it really baffles me how can people defend this over other stuff that gives more activities to do and this "Eureka is the socialization paradise".

[Imuka]

SE didn't remove the chat from the game, when I go to Eureka for whatever reason, shout is only people asking questions, asking for ress and not much else, I don't see where is the enhanced socialization in Eureka that everyone talks about. I see more people talking in dungeons/raids/cities than in Eureka.

It is the combat. It is to slow and to fast at the same time.
It is to slow to be really engaging, when fighting Trash Mobs without Mechanics and to fast to use the Ingame Chat in any enjoyable way.
Combine that with the Chain Bonus and nobody sees a window to write something in the Chat.

[xbahax92]

Everyone keeps saying the same but I don't see how the existence of Eureka prevents you from socializing with other players in any other content. SE didn't remove the chat from the game, when I go to Eureka for whatever reason, shout is only people asking questions, asking for ress and not much else, I don't see where is the enhanced socialization in Eureka that everyone talks about. I see more people talking in dungeons/raids/cities than in Eureka.

And people complaining about run older content when the only thing that Eureka offers is grind the same mob for hours and run from Fate to Fate all the time, I don't know what is wrong with you. When friends who bothered with light farm say they grinded dragons in Pagos for 8 hours everyday for a week for just one weapon, and the random stats of Pyros, I don't see how this makes Eureka any good that do older content that you wouldn't do again otherwise.

Really looking for someone to explain and elaborate on this (not you stalker and princess), because it really baffles me how can people defend this over other stuff that gives more activities to do and this "Eureka is the socialization paradise".

I can only speak for myself and my experience. But whenever i enter a roulette dungeon, me and many others just expect a smooth and clear run. People dont even find the time to say hi, why even bother to chat when you know, right after the dungeon, you wont even meet that person ever again. Even if you end up adding each other through "contacts", I believe that Eureka is an instance that forges people. Not even a 24man raid can do such a thing, because you dont have to rely on others.
The progress of leveling, dying, helping with rezed, the dangerous situations you can get in (and be one shotted) and exchanging information does indeed give a better opportunity to befriend with others. But its not only about befriending, but rather the large scale interaction between other players.
Am not sure if any of you guys joined the eureka discord, but I can tell that everyone has been posting and adding any valuable information when hydatos came out. It was really fun exploring a new map.

And you know running alexander savage 100 times to get the light stage done doesnt give much variety either.

[Fawkes]

And you know running alexander savage 100 times to get the light stage done doesnt give much variety either.

It does, because I didn't run it once to get my light.

[Imuka]

The progress of leveling, dying, helping with rezed, the dangerous situations you can get in (and be one shotted) and exchanging information does indeed give a better opportunity to befriend with others. But its not only about befriending, but rather the large scale interaction between other players.

It just happened, because waiting with the Fate Train for Fates was so boring, that people started to use the Ingame Chat to talk about things while being more or less AFK. With Topics like "Who is the best Jojo?", "Best type of Pizza", etc.

In things like Savage, Primals, Dungeons etc. people do not want to Chat, because they want to play the fights and not start to talk about the best type of Pizza for 20 Minutes, before starting.
Or said in other Words: They are busy playing the Game, instead of waiting and chatting.

It is a bit questionable if that is a good or a bad thing.
Imagine you just want to get a fast clear in a Dungeon before you need to log of and the Tank suddenly starts to talk about a Pasta recipes for 10 Minutes.

Raubahn Savage also made the people use the Chat and it is not like people say "Man, I wish I could wait in that line for 3 Hours again.".

[Physic]

It just happened, because waiting with the Fate Train for Fates was so boring, that people started to use the Ingame Chat to talk about things while being more or less AFK. With Topics like "Who is the best Jojo?", "Best type of Pizza", etc.

In things like Savage, Primals, Dungeons etc. people do not want to Chat, because they want to play the fights and not start to talk about the best type of Pizza for 20 Minutes, before starting.
Or said in other Words: They are busy playing the Game, instead of waiting and chatting.

It is a bit questionable if that is a good or a bad thing.
Imagine you just want to get a fast clear in a Dungeon before you need to log of and the Tank suddenly starts to talk about a Pasta recipes for 10 Minutes.

Raubahn Savage also made the people use the Chat and it is not like people say "Man, I wish I could wait in that line for 3 Hours again.".

he isnt talking about random chats, he is talking about that time you died on the way to the quest alone, and you sent a shout hoping somebody might save you 1/4rth your experience bar. Or the time you were across the map, and got to the fate when it was 50% completed and had to bust your ass dpsing and avoiding tricky attacks to get full credit. Or the time you found that hot light party, and got 5 lights in 20 minutes. Or when your group decided to go out and pop the NMs while leveling on killing mobs, and got a great routine going for spawning fates. Or when you finally got a group killing things 6 levels higher than your group and zoomed exp super fast. When you risk your life to raise some one, because you feel for the exp loss.

thats not to say this can never happen anywhere else, you see parts of it in certain communities and certain content, but yeah, eureka is a different experience for those who like it, that you dont get in other places in ffxiv.

[Leanna]

And there is a difference between running an instance like A1s for example when farming light, where you do the same thing over and over again, and going to an instance where you pretty much have the freedom to do the things you want to progress. In A1s, you start, kill the same trash mob first then the boss after. As for Eureka it's like doing maps. Both have you traveling to different spots killing monsters and you get rewarded and sometimes you get really nice rare rewards. And there is also the sense of danger (which is why you shouldn't go solo unless you know what you're doing), which a lot of those that like Eureka enjoy. The dungeons and open world fates do not have that.

The existence of the Eurekan explorers discord is a proof enough of how the community is socializing to figure out how things work in each zone.

Again since you seem to be unable to read:

No one points a gun at your head and tells you "Go do Savage ONLY!" That it is fast doesn't mean it is the only way. I did the DRK relic recently, I only wanted the Sharpened Guillotine but I did up until Lux because why not? And I did Cronus while doing dungeons for BLU skills for some friends.

That was recently, back then I did Savage for MNK and SCH because I wanted them asap, but for the MCH relic I did other stuff because I didn't want to rush it.

You know, because one option is faster doesn't mean it is the only, and that depends of what people wants to do and how. More options is never bad, reduce everything to one option is.

Where is the gun pointing at your head?

And the Eurekan explorers is the result of hidden mechanics, it could have happened in discord or anywhere else, like, you know, people has been gathering in places to share information since videogames are... videogames. Before in wikias, now on discord. It is a source of information more than anything.

And again since you are bad at reading, the people who had to do 8h everyday for a week of dragon farm for the lights of one relic, they were doing it for one relic, not to go from 1 to 60 in Pagos. In that time you can clear Ultimate or whatever.

If this stuff exists in Eureka and not in the open world it's because SE is lazy and also needs a place to "experiment", this could fit in the open world perfectly, make some areas of the map more dangerous, etc, etc. There is a lot that can be done, go with Eureka and call it a day is lazyness at best, there are millions of ways of implement the "good" things about Eureka (if they even exist) in the open world and millions of things they can do.

Conform with a small map for 140 people is just lazy and not very ambitious.

Eureka is, after all, open world content (old) concentrated in a smaller place with limitations. And let's not get crazy over logo actions because the 90% of them are worthless and will hardly be used by anyone who just wants to do the content and be over with it.

[Leanna]

And you know running alexander savage 100 times to get the light stage done doesnt give much variety either.

No one points a gun at your head and tells you "Go do Savage ONLY!" That it is fast doesn't mean it is the only way. I did the DRK relic recently, I only wanted the Sharpened Guillotine but I did up until Lux because why not? And I did Cronus while doing dungeons for BLU skills for some friends.

That was recently, back then I did Savage for MNK and SCH because I wanted them asap, but for the MCH relic I did other stuff because I didn't want to rush it.

You know, because one option is faster doesn't mean it is the only, and that depends of what people wants to do and how. More options is never bad, reduce everything to one option is.