Please no more Eureka!

[Alucard135]

I refuse to go back to Eureka till they make Logograms drop from the lockboxes you get from NMs. I think I have 24 total actions learned and I refuse to do another single bonny fate. And no I'm not deleveling myself to try and get a party to farm mobs. I don't care how easy to level it is in Pyros that's just ass backwards. Not to mention standing in one spot trying to farm the same mob over and over is boring as all hell. And no I'm not spending millions of gil because SE allowed people to take advantage of people. Gil may not be hard to make but I'm not making it hand over fist either. You don't even need logorams to do anything in Pyros (or Hydratos from what I hear except maybe BA) so tying them to the weapon and forcing you to collect something that should be optional is stupid imo. Maybe if the nerfed it to needing 5, 10, and 15 instead of 10, 20, and 30 MIGHT make me go back...

I don't know what to say in this case. I gave you an easy solution that will not even cost you more than 100K to get the rest of your logos actions. But you're refusing to do it simply because you don't want to do it. Did you not buy grade 4 materia for the previous relic? Or you just farmed them? In this case, why are you refusing to farm them in Pyros? Bunnies are not the only source of the really common logograms.

And the deleveling part is really up to you. You want a quick gain of EXP and light, you can do it. You don't want to, you can do it too. You don't lose anything from deleveling one level from cap. Even SE intentionally placed some mobs that will level you quickly to level cap in hydatos (sprite island).

I'm not sure what you've been doing... but there are only two things to do in Eureka. You either pick a spot with a party and kill the same mob over and over, or you farm NMs, which is easier and faster. Sure you could do both and then hope you make it to the NM before it dies. Or you could help spawn the NM and be their when it does.

And Eureka isn't new content. It's the same content in a new "instanced" zone. Just because the drop rate from Atma's to Crystals has been increased doesn't make the content different.

You need to first find a group willing to help. Doing it solo won't work. To spawn the NMs in Pyros for example you just need to kill 30 mobs and wait for it. So if we're planning on getting the higher level NMs, we'd have to be get 2-3 full parties. You'd still get chain EXP bonus and plus a really quick death for those 30 mobs. So you don't spend hours on the same mobs. Once we hit the 30 mark, we move to anther NM mobs. Because the NM will spawn after a random timer so no point killing more after that. If we're dealing with low level mobs, we easily assign solo players to them when they're at level cap since they can easily melt them. And the result of doing all that, is a chain of NMs spawning, lots of EXP and crystals with only a time frame of less than an hour.
Heck, in some cases we don't even manage to complete a 15 kill chain due to how quick some NMs spawn.

Another thing to do if you really want to level up quick without worrying about NMs, is to find mobs that are magic only (like sprites and Mammets) , use reflect logos action and take off all your gear and grab everyone of them around you and let them kill themselves. The result? tons of EXP and logograms. An example of this is sprite island in Hydatos. SE intentionally filled it with sprites that spawn in all weathers except clear skies (rare weather). And they drop tons of EXP and logograms (currently have 678 fundamental logograms from them). And people use that island to level back up to 60 if they died in BA.

As for bunny fate, I don't bother doing them unless the instance is locked and there are only a few number of people. This way you 100% ensure a chest and so it increases the chance of getting gold. And with very few people in the instance, the bunny fate takes literally less than 1min to finish it.

Now my other sources of activity there is to go help low level players by giving them free rides to NMs and resurrecting those that died. And of course the fun shout chat. You gotta admit it more active than any open world map.

And from the lockboxes you get from the NMs, you don't only break-even on the cost of the gil you spend to get some stuff on the market board, you end up with much more gil. The VI materia that you get, and you can give the V's to Mutamix in hopping of getting crafting/gathering Vs and VIs that you can sell for tens of thousands of gil. And those drop a lot from the lockboxes.

[Burningskull]

I don't know what to say in this case. I gave you an easy solution that will not even cost you more than 100K to get the rest of your logos actions. But you're refusing to do it simply because you don't want to do it. Did you not buy grade 4 materia for the previous relic? Or you just farmed them? In this case, why are you refusing to farm them in Pyros? Bunnies are not the only source of the really common logograms.

And the deleveling part is really up to you. You want a quick gain of EXP and light, you can do it. You don't want to, you can do it too. You don't lose anything from deleveling one level from cap. Even SE intentionally placed some mobs that will level you quickly to level cap in hydatos (sprite island).

No I didn't buy my materia for the first few ARR relics I did. I leveled my crafters and Spiritbound all the materia I needed and yes, even the 4s cause that was the only way to get materia back then. It's also why I detest materia now and will never use it for anything.

Also from my experiance bunnies are the only way to get logo grams cause from the entire time I was in Pyros from 35? to 50 I couldn't get "one single group" that was killing things for logograms.

I don't remember the solution you gave but how do you know it would cost less than 100k when the actions you get from logograms are random? I could buy 10 offense, for what like 100k each? and get the same logogram 10 times. And why should I have to buy anything from another player?

[Alucard135]

I don't remember the solution you gave but how do you know it would cost less than 100k when the actions you get from logograms are random? I could buy 10 offense, for what like 100k each? and get the same logogram 10 times. And why should I have to buy anything from another player?

There's a website called Mogboard. It shows you the prices of all items in all worlds' market boards lol. It's gonna be a really helpful website after world traveling. But not for offensive, those are still expensive, but they're only needed for a few actions (the same for metigative ones). The cheaper ones can easily get you the 30 actions mark (and more) for that amount of gil. And the heat and moist boxes are a guaranteed rare logograms. Also the bunnies from Hydatos drop different logograms from Pyros (metigative are easily obtained from silver chest in hydatos while you need to get them from I think level 45 sprites in Pyros or undead mutation. And if you want to go to the sprite option, you can find a friend that is still low level and have him solo reflect the sprites to gain tons of those and you can easily sell them).

[Barraind]

Like, I'm not even bothering to level in Pyros until it gets nerfed into oblivion

I started working on another relic, because i figured why not.

Pagos took 2 days (5 ~2 hour instances) to finish light, and I had 500 crystals and 9? ice left over.

Pyros took 4 hours to get 550 crystals and 6 penny flames.

If you think this isnt already nerfed into the ground, i dunno what to tell you.

[Ryaz]

I wouldn't mind Eureka... if the final relic didn't look so terrible. I'm actually hoping SE at least learned a little from this first round and uses it to improve the 5.0 version. Adding in side quests (maybe even daily ones) and various other types of things to add variation would be a good step.

[RitsukoSonoda]

I wouldn't mind Eureka... if the final relic didn't look so terrible. I'm actually hoping SE at least learned a little from this first round and uses it to improve the 5.0 version. Adding in side quests (maybe even daily ones) and various other types of things to add variation would be a good step.

Eureka has sort of evolved a little at each stage during this expansion. I hope they keep with this style of duty as well and just improve on it going forward. I also like that they made the relic a sort of side quest for the Eureka story line as opposed to a stand alone side quest that mostly forced you to revisit old content as a sort of "So you remember all this stuff you saw a long time ago? Yeah you gotta go back and collect it all now because I got drunk"

[Nariel]

Eureka has sort of evolved a little at each stage during this expansion. I hope they keep with this style of duty as well and just improve on it going forward. I also like that they made the relic a sort of side quest for the Eureka story line as opposed to a stand alone side quest that mostly forced you to revisit old content as a sort of "So you remember all this stuff you saw a long time ago? Yeah you gotta go back and collect it all now because I got drunk"

I fail to see what really change each step. We started at doing fate after killing trash to kill more trash to do fate in the worst map ever, then we killed trash to pop fate in hallway simulator 2018 to be able to kill trash for fate in the emptiest map ever.

[Physic]

I fail to see what really change each step. We started at doing fate after killing trash to kill more trash to do fate in the worst map ever, then we killed trash to pop fate in hallway simulator 2018 to be able to kill trash for fate in the emptiest map ever.

fates are better designed

have less rng on progress

dont use your daily progression currency

far as i have seen, the content is more populated.

you can do it at max level, using all your abilities, instead of syncing down to when you only have 5 abilities.

requires less overall grind.


its a way better implementation of relic quest

[Nariel]

fates are better designed

have less rng on progress

dont use your daily progression currency

far as i have seen, the content is more populated.

you can do it at max level, using all your abilities, instead of syncing down to when you only have 5 abilities.

requires less overall grind.


its a way better implementation of relic quest

Fates designed better ? Care to explain because I can't see what you mean by designed better.

Less RNG on progress ? Really ? Sure the fate provide cristal 100% of the time, but what about bunny and their triple RNG layer putting atma to shame that are required to unlock logos action needed to progress weapons and armor ? Lockboxes ?

You mean that currency I don't need since month ? I'm to the point I was capped and had to use it to not go to waste.

More populated than what ? Dungeons ? You mean those instances that I can get a group whenever I want for whatever reason I want everyday of the week without a concern about how old it actualy is and still get in ?

And I'll still be able to do it spamming only one skill and get the gold anyway.

Les grind ? Maybe, can't say so I barely feeled like I was grinding back then except for some steps like fates over and over again.

Relic quest ? Not even close, the quest wasn't about the relic, never mentionned once during the main quest outside of gerolt line "I can upgrade your weapon if you bring me stuff" not a single drop of lore attached to those component nor the weapon. Could be a spoon physeos, won't make a difference lorewise. You can finish Eureka without upgrading your relic once, BA included.

[xbahax92]

They are planning on making content similar to this in the future, with adjustments to implementation as necessary.

Guess its coming.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ydatos_and_ba/