Please no more Eureka!

[Leanna]

There you go, you finally came to your senses. If the relic isn't needed for doing savage content. Then how on earth is it needed to do casual dungeons in 5.0? I must be one heck of an elitist since I did SB with a RDM that FYI has no relic.

If you need the relic to be BiS to do the hallway dungeons that are filled with mindless easy mobs, then you're not just doing something wrong, you're doing tons of things that are wrong.

And if you consider the rewards as a bribe, then biggest bribe is the previous relic quests. Because they know no one would bother touching open map fates and do dungeons and trials for light farming and tomes if it wasn't for the relic.

You are defending Eurekan relics for being BiS, relics were never BiS. They are ONLY a fancy glamour, a fancy glamour which btw people is asking to redo because the Eurekan ones are the ugliest weapon ever released (but DRK/WAR/BLM). The relics in ARR and HW had no rewards tied to them besides a fancy glamour and they are more successful than the ones from Eureka when SE tried to bribe people with other rewards to do the shitty content.

Eureka failed miserably, not even with the hairstyles, emotes and pets, people can be bothered to do it.

[RitsukoSonoda]

You are defending Eurekan relics for being BiS, relics were never BiS. They are ONLY a fancy glamour, a fancy glamour which btw people is asking to redo because the Eurekan ones are the ugliest weapon ever released (but DRK/WAR/BLM). The relics in ARR and HW had no rewards tied to them besides a fancy glamour and they are more successful than the ones from Eureka when SE tried to bribe people with other rewards to do the shitty content.

Eureka failed miserably, not even with the hairstyles, emotes and pets, people can be bothered to do it.

Sounds like you have never completed a relics in ARR and HW when the quest steps were new and first made available. The relic in SB wasn't BiS most of the expansion because of the initial delays in Eureka. Previously the relic at it's highest available upgrade stage at the time was BiS or very close to it. This cycle however I am seeing far more people building relics while the content is new as opposed to ARR and HW which after a point in ARR many of the relic builders had adopted the mindset of "I'll do it later after it gets nerfed to make it easier".

[Burningskull]

the relic isn't needed for doing savage content. Then how on earth is it needed to do casual dungeons in 5.0

In ARR and HW since I continually upgraded my Relic I could always do the next patch stuff on release without a Tome weapon or a Primal weapon. When I leveled my NIN in HW I used my Relic pretty much till lvl 60 cause the sub stats on the other weapons just weren't good enough. I switched to SAM in SB so I'm not sure how far the relic could take you in SB. The Relic may not be for savage but it IS a good alternative to not having to constantly buy or farm new weapons for the casual side of stuff.

To be fair I would have completed my RDM relic if I hadn't been required to get the logo grams to do it. Instead of needing 30 for it they need to nerf that to like... 15.

[Alucard135]

To be fair I would have completed my RDM relic if I hadn't been required to get the logo grams to do it. Instead of needing 30 for it they need to nerf that to like... 15.

I can help you with that. Using only Fundamental and Conceptual Logograms (they are dirt cheap on the MB now if you wanted to buy them), you can get 29 Logos actions. And if you already got any other type of Logograms, you can easily complete 30. Inimical Logograms are also cheap.

These are all the Logos actions that you can get from Fundamental and Conceptual.
https://i.imgur.com/7AlWh66.png

And if you want to know how to make them, you can use this website.
https://www.fflogos.com/

[Alucard135]

You are defending Eurekan relics for being BiS, relics were never BiS. They are ONLY a fancy glamour, a fancy glamour which btw people is asking to redo because the Eurekan ones are the ugliest weapon ever released (but DRK/WAR/BLM). The relics in ARR and HW had no rewards tied to them besides a fancy glamour and they are more successful than the ones from Eureka when SE tried to bribe people with other rewards to do the shitty content.

Eureka failed miserably, not even with the hairstyles, emotes and pets, people can be bothered to do it.

The numbers show that Eureka was a success compared to previous relics though. Your feelings are not fact btw lol.

[Aster_E]

The numbers show that Eureka was a success compared to previous relics though. Your feelings are not fact btw lol.

The numbers show that people reached level cap in Eureka.You can reach level cap there without even touching the relic at all. Even with those of us who did touch the weapons, you can skip the light grind in Pyros if the substats don't matter to you, because you just want the shiny glamour at the end of Pyros or Hydatos. Oh, hey, I guess those empty weapons aren't BiS, huh?

If you want to be more specific as to how many people that capped managed to get to the i405 weapon, and how many of those bothered with the substats, then you're going to need better data than "Number of people who reached level 50 in Pyros."

[Alucard135]

The numbers show that people reached level cap in Eureka.You can reach level cap there without even touching the relic at all.

Yes, because half the people here are not complaining about the relic being the only reason they did Eureka. But anyhow, I wasn't comparing who got their relic. I'm comparing who bothered doing the content. And so far those who bothered doing Eureka to level 50 are more than those that bothered doing the relic till the minion stage (given the fact that it had 2 years advantage and the numbers included that too).

Why are you bringing BiS into this now? If someone is fixated on getting the relic to be BiS and they don't do any savage content, then they should reconsider why they need the relic to be BiS so badly. I got my RDM weapon with stats better than my O12s weapon, but for what? Nothing really. I just happened to have had a good chunk of light from the time I spent in Pyros and used it on it. And I've been going to Pyros till the last week before Hydatos. And I didn't use a single light on my DRK weapon, since it's pretty much useless. So we don't need to bother knowing who got the relic and who got good stats on it.

[TwistedTea]

and the number of active players that have reached the Pyros level cap of 50 is:
18,6% JP
5,8% NA
7,3% EU

And in NA it's 8.58% for a content that's out more than two years and 5.8% for Pyros. This just shows how loved the previous relic method was /s. I guess this is why SE considers Eureka a success.

The point I was trying to make earlier is that if we're judging the success of Eureka against the previous relic, it's not a very good or valid comparison.

Firstly, Eureka is not just about the relic.

Secondly, as a thought experiment, if the previous relics had the sheer number and kind of rewards that Eureka has attached to it, I'm fairly confident that 8.58% would be much higher.

Unless, someone comes out with stats for completion of Eureka's relics and even then, it might not be a good comparison because going through Eureka's multiple zones/content is more than just about the relic and the rewards you get for progressing through Eureka.

[Alucard135]

Secondly, as a thought experiment, if the previous relics had the sheer number and kind of rewards that Eureka has attached to it, I'm fairly confident that 8.58% would be much higher.

The question is, where would you put those rewards? Do I deserve a mount for farming Atmas? I got an upgraded weapon for that, though. Do I deserve a mount for doing 9 books? Do I deserve a hairstyle for farming light? You want to attach more rewards than getting the relic itself for the steps you did solely for getting the relic? There was no new content to add rewards to, since almost every step was just you doing old content that already had its rewards in it (except the first few ARR ones).

Now let's take a really close look at the previous relic. You DO have other rewards there when you do it. You can get a mount if you did your light farming for EX trials (so that's 7 mounts). You can get a minion and bardings if you did the boss fates in each map (so hat's 6 minions in HW and two bardings in total from fates). You can get gear for glamour if you did dungeons to farm for tomes. No hairstyles or furnishing items though (Eureka has only one hairstyle).

Now you might say "But those existed before the relic steps and they're not tied to it". That's true, but not everyone has gotten them, especially the trial mounts. Just like how some people I've been with finally gotten their nightmare mount using BLU. And Eureka rewards are also not tied to the relic.

[zztoluca]

Many people didnt even do it for the relic all they wanted was the glamour and emotes. They had to pay outrages prices or grind for months and still not get the items due to the low drop chance on top of the multi level rng loot chest.

RNG on RNG on RNG is not fun and is lazy game mechanic used to pad out already boring content.

If Eureka didnt have additional rewards past the relic that people would want the zone would be dead 2 weeks after launch similar to "The Feast PVP." No one outside of helping a friend that got left behind would even give going back in a second thought. The answer would be an obvious no.

DIADEM 2.0 was better content and has more replay-ability than Eureka has/will have.