Please no more Eureka!

[EaMett]

Well that’s fair.

Honestly, I feel like if they made the content more solo friendly (which I recall they said they wanted initially). Things would be ok. I also need to wait and see what they do with current eureka next expat because I don’t see how anyone will get past that once the content is stale.

[Nariel]

Well that’s fair.

Honestly, I feel like if they made the content more solo friendly (which I recall they said they wanted initially). Things would be ok. I also need to wait and see what they do with current eureka next expat because I don’t see how anyone will get past that once the content is stale.

Or about exploration, having a mystery to unravel maybe. Considering the story, nothing of what we do in here accomplish anything. NM have nothing to do with the story, not even the "boss" one. Our elemental level is irrelevant, its not even about aclimating to the main thematic element of each region, the only thing we do to help is fetching stones they already pin-point approximate location, Krile could get them herself but we happend to be here, damn they didn't even need us in the end and could have settled the argument with any third party. Eureka in the end stay a experiment facility for the devs and nothing more, they just used it to try out new mecanism like elemental wheel, logos action and instance inside instance, the rest is just purely decorative.

[TwistedTea]

After thinking about it a little more, I put this to the people who claim Eureka is not 'casual' content and that we've received other forms of 'causal' content:

If you take just Eureka maps/zones into account, Eureka seems like a mini-expansion's worth of maps/zones .

The additions to existing 'casual' content like Doman Mahjong, new treasure map,etc are not similar in scale or in ability to keep 'casual' players engaged for a sustained period of time.

If we are going by the participation rates for Eureka as offered by the Lucky Bancho census, it makes more sense for SE to develop 'casual' content similar in scale to Eureka which would serve a wider audience.

By all means,keep Eureka but please provide similar content for 'casuals'.

[Xion136]

I've seen argument batted around a bit in this thread and it has me a bit confused, some people are claiming that Eureka is baiting people to go into it by offering glams, minions, mounts and hair.

The relic is nice, but imo I'd still be doing eureka even without it. For the other rewards though, how is it any different than rewards you can get from pvp, potd, or raiding?

Because they're... different rewards...?

[Gralna]

Because they're... different rewards...?

Eureka Rewards: Mounts, Minions, Glamours, Barding, Furniture, Hairstyles
Potd/HoH Rewards: Mounts, Minions, Glamours, Furniture, Hairstyles
PvP Rewards: Mounts, Minions, Glamours, Hairstyles
Raiding Rewards: Mounts, Minions, Glamours, Furnishings

How're they different?

[Lacan]

The funny thing is... I hated eureka when I first started with it, but now that I'm almost finished with pagos I've started to like it. I don't know what that means. Maybe it is Stockholm syndrome?

[Ilan]

The funny thing is... I hated eureka when I first started with it, but now that I'm almost finished with pagos I've started to like it. I don't know what that means. Maybe it is Stockholm syndrome?

Nah your tolerance for mental and physical pain increased drasticly during your time in pagos and you just don't realize anymore how painful this is actually to do.

[Derio]

You can make it. Just dont put the relic in it

[HiroesX81]

Eureka is good, and whatever takes its place will be better in 5.0 End this thread already.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

Ultimately my issues with Eureka come down to two things:

1) An incredible amount of time and resources is devoted to its making and continuous updating. That's time and resources that could be used to make stuff I actually like, such as dungeons, trials, main story, etc.

2) The relic should not be held hostage to Eureka-style content. At the very least an alternative method of creating the relic without having to deal with Eureka should exist so those like myself who absolutely despise Eureka style content with a passion, have a way to get the relic that doesn't involve us having to deal with content we consider horrifically painful to engage in.

I enjoyed the Heavensward relic questline. I like running dungeons. I didn't farm A1 for light, I got it from just running experts which I enjoy running. I was able to progress multiple relics doing content I enjoyed doing. I did not Enjoy Eureka Anemos and refuse to go any further into that content. The relic should be content that's made for me (someone who doesn't do savage raids) to get a good weapon over time doing regular content and not having to go through some painful artificial second leveling system in an instanced area that requires grouping if you want to make any real progress.

It's fine for Eureka to have incentives like mounts, glams, hairstyles, but the relic should not be put in there in my opinion.