No discussion on fixing Blu?????

[Greywolfamakir]

Blue Mage is perfect currently, just let the Blue be Blue.

[Jmund]

Blus can not solo anything aside from the low level dungeons. My spells are not “OP” like they stated they would be. In fact, they are either on par with some classes on damage or under perform. I can’t do -anything- as a Blu. And that to me is a bad thing. What am I supposed to solo? Why should a job that I enjoy be a niche mini game for you? Why can’t I be allowed to play with friends on a class I love? And to the poster above how with everything that’s been stated make this perfect the way it is?

[Mito123]

Blue Mage is perfect currently, just let the Blue be Blue.

Your sadly mistaken and have you been living under a rock?

[Brightamethyst]

Your sadly mistaken and have you been living under a rock?

Oh no! Someone has an opinion that doesn't match yours! Better insult them for good measure.

[Shurrikhan]

Blue Mage is perfect currently, just let the Blue be Blue.

Your sadly mistaken and have you been living under a rock?

Oh no! Someone has an opinion that doesn't match yours! Better insult them for good measure.

Opinions, when cogently formed, still require some warrant by which to soundly reach the particular conclusion. If there is something they weigh abnormally high, then it may stand that such a conclusion is reasonable. We might disagree on the warrant itself, but that leads to a separate, integral argument. But if there isn't at least a cogent link there, it's less an opinion (an act or instance of judging or choosing (from among options) or supposing (based upon paths or findings of inquiry or possibility)), and instead merely personally emblematic thinking (a desire for something which, if to occur or be moved towards, would represent through personal symbolic implication some state or movement one finds pleasant or agreeable).

The fewer people can so much as guess at even the shape of warrant for one's opinion, the more likely it is that either the opinion has been given without appropriate context or is not cogent.

I hope this is a case of the prior, but I have no reason to opine as much.

[Brightamethyst]

Who cares? Not knowing the reasoning behind someone's opinion doesn't make it any less valid. What's wrong with just letting people like what they like without requiring validation?

[Dualgunner]

Oh no! Someone has an opinion that doesn't match yours! Better insult them for good measure.

"Blue mage is perfect" is not an opinion. "I like Blue Mage" or "I think Blue Mage is perfect" are opinions, but that's not what Greywolf said.

[Shurrikhan]

Who cares? Not knowing the reasoning behind someone's opinion doesn't make it any less valid. What's wrong with just letting people like what they like without requiring validation?

I've not called it invalid, merely unverifiable and implied that to myself and others it was incomprehensible. But, if not even sign or tell or a reason is necessary, then Mito's reply was at least as valid in its own right as well.

After all, It's been expressed, and at least three people at this time have seen fit to express agreement with it. If each opinion has guaranteed it one and only one opinion's worth of merit, then ought I count opinions solely by the number of irreconcilable conclusions among them, or by each individual's expression, redundant or not?

Why defend on principle any post that falls outside a given norm if it requires no validation, from you or otherwise -- let alone by calling out someone for having a conflicting opinion as if solely on base or controlling motives?

[Valdegarde]

Who cares? Not knowing the reasoning behind someone's opinion doesn't make it any less valid. What's wrong with just letting people like what they like without requiring validation?

Please, like it if you do. I don't think anyone wants to wish sadness and disappointment on anyone, at least I hope not.

The problem exists when this flippant attitude completely ignores all the people who have been disappointed and wish for something different at little or no cost to those who enjoy it. Liking it is one thing, implying that there aren't questionable aspects that have disappointed people is treating them as if they are wrong is another, hence the strong reaction. This too is an opinion of course, but a widely prevalent one with many affected.

There's another issue in that we're in a pretty awkward time where people believe (whether erroneously and unconsciously, or not) that the only way change can happen at this point is if this perspective gains attention with developers before it's too late, even if it already might be. It's depressing and tense and makes it feel like if there are people who voice contentment or approval with this...thing, then the developers will cherry pick that validation over the myriad of complaints and let a beloved job die in obscurity.

I'm very guilty of all of the above, so I try to take a step back and try not to let it sour my mood. Still, even I feel like biting people's heads off sometimes, since it seriously does feel like those defending it are willing to let some people's entire reason for looking forward to XIV be crushed for a minor curiosity at best. But I try not to because I'm hoping that's not their intention to ruin the time of other players, and I hope that courtesy of the benefit of the doubt can be extended to me in my defensive moments too.

Maybe more information than needed, but I hope this helps elucidate where much of the defensiveness comes from lately.

[Kalise]

Who cares? Not knowing the reasoning behind someone's opinion doesn't make it any less valid. What's wrong with just letting people like what they like without requiring validation?

When an opinion becomes an assertion that is attempting to counteract other people's opinions, some level of validation is often wanted.

In this case, we have numerous people across multiple threads and various regions, all complaining about BLU in its current implementation.

With points raised about many facets of its "Design" - Ranging from the fact it was touted as a solo class "Unsuitable for parties" but yet still heavily revolves around playing in parties (While yet restricted from easy part making tools), to the fact that it was mentioned to be unbalanced and thus needed to be "Limited" but yet only manages to achieve approximately the same power level as other jobs (If not a bit underperforming), to even things like how its unique learning mechanic was supposed to be a fun activity but ended up with horrible RNG on EX Trial kills making it a tedious grind often just getting a level 70 friend just carry parties through it because speed clearing is necessary for such a horrible grind.

Which has caused dissatisfaction in both people who would have preferred BLU to be a normal job, but also people who didn't mind BLU being a Limited Job but are still not happy in how it even fulfils that role.

To outright claim that BLU is perfect (Thus dismissing peoples opinions outright), and also to underhandedly state for people to stop opining or giving feedback ("Just let the blue be blue") without backing up your stance is going to rub people the wrong way at the very least.