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  1. #61
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    shao32's Avatar
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    Shao Kuraisenshi
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Skullhack View Post
    Oh and I wanted to add something. Tank and heal balance will be a nightmare now. Since you only have 1 or 2 in the party, some of them will be overlooked. I think DNC and GUN will be strong for tier 1 since they are new and I fear for PLD and even WAR since DRK is, you know, the representative job of the expension. I hope SE will be able to handle the balance.
    well not more nightmare that balance DD, remember DRG and NIN spend the entire expansion being the best of the best and take ages to buff MNK, SAM, BLM, RDM and MCH, i will pretty refreshing not having WAR and SCH overshadowing the rest and being finally out of the meta for once.
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    Last edited by shao32; 02-03-2019 at 11:42 PM.

  2. #62
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    Skeith9's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Character
    Mirriam Vonvoltaire
    World
    Zalera
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 80

    I wish Gunbreaker would be a DPS class.

    I don't, I'm glad it's Tank.
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  3. #63
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    Skullhack's Avatar
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    Character
    Eden Arche
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Queue will be shorter for a month, then everyone will return to their main job with some exception that will have no consequences on the overall queue time. But hey, if I switch to GUN as main, at least I will have shorter queue.
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  4. #64
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    Burningskull's Avatar
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    Markov Dracul
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 100
    What the only reason Gunbreaker is a tank is so it doesn't have to compete with MCH as a DPS slot?
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  5. #65
    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Character
    Seraphor Vhinasch
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Burningskull View Post
    What the only reason Gunbreaker is a tank is so it doesn't have to compete with MCH as a DPS slot?
    Gunbreaker is a tank because demand for Gunblades, lore justification for including them, and the need for a new tank and healer job, all coincided for the same expansion.
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  6. #66
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    mosaicex's Avatar
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    Character
    Noyoyo Noyo
    World
    Typhon
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Burningskull View Post
    What the only reason Gunbreaker is a tank is so it doesn't have to compete with MCH as a DPS slot?
    MCH should be competitive with BRD first if they want to talk about competition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skullhack View Post
    Oh and I wanted to add something. Tank and heal balance will be a nightmare now. Since you only have 1 or 2 in the party, some of them will be overlooked. I think DNC and GUN will be strong for tier 1 since they are new and I fear for PLD and even WAR since DRK is, you know, the representative job of the expension. I hope SE will be able to handle the balance.
    But hey, DPS balance doesn't matter right?
    How MCH was being overshadowed by BRD for the whole expansion (and when it wasn't, casters got overshadowed instead) , or NIN and DRG being super high in-demand in NA/EU PF (from what I heard anyway, since it doesn't happen in JP PF).

    Though whenever it's about adding new tank or healer then it suddenly becomes issue of utmost importance.
    Meanwhile DRK and WHM, both of which were being complained about a lot, were in both world first ultimate clears, and WHM saw a lot of usage in many Ultimate Bahamut groups after still because turns out when you implemented tight heal check, the healer that excels in healing actually shines. I'm not saying they're perfectly balanced, but let's be real, flawless balance in this genre is nothing but a pipe dream anyway.
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    Last edited by mosaicex; 02-03-2019 at 10:36 PM.

  7. #67
    Player
    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Character
    Tani Shirai
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman View Post
    The job break down:

    3 Tanks(Now 4 with Gunbreaker)
    3 Healers
    4 Melee
    2 Ranged
    3 Casters(4 if you count BLU)

    If we do get another dps it should be ranged since it has the least jobs in that style of dps.
    Those are categories for (nearly) armor class, not necessarily how player interest is most divided. It's certainly not how gameplay variance is divided; tanks are obviously more alike to Melee DPS, Casters to Healers and Ranged, etc.

    We shouldn't be going out of our way to fill quotas; if no genuinely satisfying job concept has been made yet for the role, nor seems readily createable, then don't sacrifice what could turn into something legitimately interesting in its own right just because a sub-role roster than can already scarcely diversify itself can fit another faintly different mapping of the same shades.
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  8. #68
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    Burningskull's Avatar
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    Markov Dracul
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by mosaicex View Post
    MCH should be competitive with BRD first if they want to talk about competition.



    But hey, DPS balance doesn't matter right? Though whenever it's about adding new tank or healer then it suddenly becomes issue of utmost importance.
    Well I mean if Gunbreaker had been a DPS it could have used Scouting Gear with Aiming accessories. Is what I meant. I did word that badly didn't I.
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  9. #69
    Player
    Connor's Avatar
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    Character
    Connor Whelan
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    I wish Bard was a real job and not just an Archer with a different name.

    We all want things about jobs we like to change, but unfortunately they never will.

    If it’s any consolation, in like 90% of content you literally will be a DPS in all but name alone
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  10. #70
    Player Beckett's Avatar
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    Beckard Arseneau
    World
    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 92
    From now on, whenever a job you were looking forward to gets announced and it's not the role you wanted it to be, remember this mantra:

    It could have been Limited
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