Gunbreaker starting level

[Nedkel]

You learn how to play a tank at lvl 70, anything below it is just a child game, believe me.
I wasnt prepared for anything above 70 and i did a lot of dungeons and trials myself on my way to max lvl.

Its due to your limited amount of skills to use, some skill you unlock at 60-70 are so essential to the gameplay that you feel like playing different job when under lvl 60. You dont learn anything from that, just 1-2-3 into oblivion and aoe spam 1 skill.

[TwistedTea]

You learn how to play a tank at lvl 70, anything below it is just a child game, believe me.
I wasnt prepared for anything above 70 and i did a lot of dungeons and trials myself on my way to max lvl.

Its due to your limited amount of skills to use, some skill you unlock at 60-70 are so essential to the gameplay that you feel like playing different job when under lvl 60. You dont learn anything from that, just 1-2-3 into oblivion and aoe spam 1 skill.

This.

Many jobs below level 70 have a significant portion of their toolkit not available in low level content.

It feels horrible playing jobs like this and why I no longer queue for certain roulette despite the rewards offered(healer main/learning tank).

[Metalwrath]

You learn how to play a tank at lvl 70, anything below it is just a child game, believe me.
I wasnt prepared for anything above 70 and i did a lot of dungeons and trials myself on my way to max lvl.

Its due to your limited amount of skills to use, some skill you unlock at 60-70 are so essential to the gameplay that you feel like playing different job when under lvl 60. You dont learn anything from that, just 1-2-3 into oblivion and aoe spam 1 skill.

If you're only learning to tank at lvl 70 then there is something seriously wrong.
The basic tank tool set you gain by lvl 50.
You're tank stance,Provoke,Your pull and emnity aoes etc,Some basic damage migitation.
Anything after lvl 50 is just extensions to the tank jobs.

Mechanics like tank swaps.off tanking and dealing with tank busters has existed since level 50 with primal fights and coil.
It didnt just all suddenly appear at lvl 70.

[Lastelli]

Mechanics like tank swaps.off tanking and dealing with tank busters has existed since level 50 with primal fights and coil.
It didnt just all suddenly appear at lvl 70.

Yes, but players that starts tanking now won't have to deal with all that stuff until they reach level cap. Also, at lvl 50 any job would probably have about half of their toolkit by the time the expansion is released. If the reason of a lower starting level is to let new tanks get used to tank-specific mechanics, I'm sorry but it's not very convincing. Just add some solo-instances in the job quests that force the player to use provoke and defensive cooldowns. That's way better than forcing players to spend several hours spamming easy dungeons or, even worse PotD and HoH, because we all know that's what's going to happen.

[Metalwrath]

Yes, but players that starts tanking now won't have to deal with all that stuff until they reach level cap. Also, at lvl 50 any job would probably have about half of their toolkit by the time the expansion is released. If the reason of a lower starting level is to let new tanks get used to tank-specific mechanics, I'm sorry but it's not very convincing. Just add some solo-instances in the job quests that force the player to use provoke and defensive cooldowns. That's way better than forcing players to spend several hours spamming easy dungeons or, even worse PotD and HoH, because we all know that's what's going to happen.

That wasnt most of my reason.You've just deliberatly only copy pasted that part.The full post is right above your post too.
I've just pointed that part out also as the person was trying to give false info.
My main point as you already know is about people who never played tank before learning the basics.Breaking someone into tanking at a lower level where damage is more forgiving on tanks and agro will be easier to hold is better than throwing them in the deep end with little knowledge of agro managment and dealing with pulls and reducing damage while having the dps with strong rotations ripping agro off them.
SE want to gain more potential tank players to sort out queue issues but this will put people off tanking as it will feel much harder than it is.Not to mention all the flaming that will put them off it too.
It will also hinder the progress of newer dps and healers tryign to reach the new content.

[Nedkel]

If you're only learning to tank at lvl 70 then there is something seriously wrong.
The basic tank tool set you gain by lvl 50.
You're tank stance,Provoke,Your pull and emnity aoes etc,Some basic damage migitation.
Anything after lvl 50 is just extensions to the tank jobs.

Mechanics like tank swaps.off tanking and dealing with tank busters has existed since level 50 with primal fights and coil.
It didnt just all suddenly appear at lvl 70.

There are barely any tank busters that will kill you in tank stance at lvl 50-60 trials, you could spam 1-2-3 combo all the time you will do it no matter what.
DRK and WAR are completely different jobs at the level of 70, and they are nowhere near the ones that you play under lvl 60 thats the fact. When you lvl those two up, you will have to learn everything again, because their absolute core abilities are coming at those lvls.
Also you need to learn to be efficient at lvl 70, not sitting all time in tank stance like you could do in low lvl duties, actually manage the enmity, use the support abilities you get since the aoe dmg hurts the healer a ton and so on.
Saying that you learn tanking when lvling up to lvl 70 is an exaggeration. Sure you learn basics, but you could learn them in one day of playing the tank after watching a 10 minute guide on the youtube.
However learning muscle memory for certain rotations and skills and memorising the duties is what you are really start to learn at lvl 70, it is way more important than knowing how to 1-2-3 combo and aoe spam all day with occasional CD use. I do duties under lvl 70 all the time, and that does not learn you anything, when it comes to lvl 70 i am behind in performance due to my liking of doing stuff under my lvl, those two are two different worlds, similar but different.
Imaging learning to drive a our first car at automatic gear system, and then have to drive one with manual, its technically not large difference, but for a driver is a lot.

[Alaray]

Who cares.

We already have that as a thing that happens, it's not really going to change a whole lot.

I picked up DRK at the start of SB again and leveled through it without a clue. Worked out, sometimes overpulled, used buttons wrong and so on. Dungeon's aren't difficult content, so long as someone brand new can use an AoE threat generator odds are they'll be fine.

People still wipe, today, in low level dungeons with new tanks.

Like, it's a dumb gripe.

And you ain't gonna learn for crap if you never do it. So.

[Duskane]

im glad its 60
only 10 levels to catch it up with story
i did it with RDM for SB Ill do it again for Gun breaker (i don't think ill do it again for another new job though)

they will not get far without some knowledge of tanking even with HoH/PotD at there disposal

[dragonkyn20]

Normally I'd agree, but I have PotD to help break in my abilities one level at a time.

[JunseiKei]

HW's new classes started you at level 30. Getting from 30 to 50 doesn't really teach you much other than the basics you already know: don't stand in bad, kill the things, keep the aggro and heal the players. That's not going to change at level 60 just doing dungeons up to level 70 and againt to 80 and whatever levels beyond. I don't see the issue.