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    EdwinLi's Avatar
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    Edwin Li
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    Balmung
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Vnolan View Post
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    I say they better have a lot of Job quests that gives them the run down of the Gunbreaker skills during the starting lvl 60. Around maybe 5 to 10 lvl 60 Job Quests with each Job quests focusing on practicing different aspects of Tank Job while also building on each previous Job quests.

    While starting at level 30 sounds nice, the reality is that SE may most likely just have a Huge EXP bonus for players to skip all the way to lvl 60 anyways (most likely a 500% EXP bonus to reach current content) and the small amount of time between 30 to 60 may not even engrave enough experience to have them fully learn the Tank role.
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    Blue Plenilune
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    Diabolos
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    If I'm being honest, I was upset back when they announced that Astrologian, Dark Knight, and Machinist would start at level 30 instead of level 1. I'm the type of person who enjoys the journey more than the destination. I realize that not everyone is like that, but for those like me, starting a job at a higher level cuts the experience short.

    I've already come to terms with the fact that this game mostly doesn't cater to those like me. New jobs released with Shadowbringers will start at level 60. Then for the next expansion, they'll probably start at level 70, and so on.

    If it were up to me, I would have new jobs start at level 1 or level 30, then grant them boosted experience gain, either innate or through the use of an item. I mean, look at Blue Mage. That job started at level 1 and many players obtained level 50 in one or two days even without using exploitative methods.

    In addition, they could modify early access. Give players a week to play new jobs like Gunbreaker, providing time to reach level 70. Then after that first week, unlock the rest of Shadowbringer early access. Players can then immediately jump in with a level 70 Gunbreaker ready to go.
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    briarth0rn's Avatar
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    Tetra Frost
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    Balmung
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    Samurai Lv 80
    I think starting Gunbreaker (and whatever other jobs ShB introduces) at 50 would be more ideal than 60. Following the precedent set by Stormblood, I think it's good to let people access as many new jobs as possible as soon as they finish the base game's story up to level 50. For new players who want to try new tanks and healers quickly too, sure, there's Dark Knight and Astrologian in Heavensward, but the limited number of jobs in these roles makes me feel they should be accessible as early as possible.

    I don't think leveling from 50 to 70 at the start of the expansion is too much to ask for, either. It's the same amount of work that new DRKs/ASTs/MCHs put in when Heavensward came out, and leveling has only become quicker and easier since then, I feel.
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    De'anair'a Solanae
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    Hyperion
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Potentially, its because of the Job quest itself. In one fell swoop, if they started it at 50, then they have to have a story for Heavensward, Stormblood, and Shadowbringers. Red and Sam ended up only with their initial two story arcs (Heavensward and Stormblood). AST, MCH, DRK (ARR and Heavensward). So I kinda suspect they simply don't want to make three tiers of story/work on top of all the rest of the stuff they need to do with the established class/jobs as is.
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    Lho Polaali
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    Moogle
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    Conjurer Lv 23
    Quote Originally Posted by TitaniaZero View Post
    Potentially, its because of the Job quest itself. In one fell swoop, if they started it at 50, then they have to have a story for Heavensward, Stormblood, and Shadowbringers. Red and Sam ended up only with their initial two story arcs (Heavensward and Stormblood). AST, MCH, DRK (ARR and Heavensward). So I kinda suspect they simply don't want to make three tiers of story/work on top of all the rest of the stuff they need to do with the established class/jobs as is.
    There's a solution to that, though. RDM and SAM lampshaded starting at 50 with a lot of skills because we drew it from the soul crystal, but getting a Soul Crystal for near any other job didn't really give me all that much. So they could do something like that where the Soul Crystal unlocks you at a lower level, and the story only picks up when you get high enough. Still gives people the leveling experience, still doesn't require new stories.
    The only drawback to this I can think of is that they should let people choose if they wanna start leveling so low, because some people do enjoy the leveling process, and need that time to properly learn the class.
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    Khuja'to Binbotaj
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 100
    As a tank main, levelling doesn't mean anything. Have them go through hall of the novice, before they can run any dungeons, that's as good as you can do.
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    Ruinous Bear
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    Balmung
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    Armorer Lv 90
    I mean, if people have been playing as a tank for a while already, this new tank job isn't really going to be any different. There will be aggro combos, defensive CD's, and some gimmicks it has. All it will be is reading through it all and putting them on ya hotbar in the order that works for ya.
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    Kestrel Moon
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    Midgardsormr
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Well they’ve already done this with scholar/summoner. You can level summoner all the way up to 70 and then go unlock scholar for a free 70 healer having never touched the role before, and ten hop right into 70 content without a clue (or the same the other way around, though likely with less disastrous results). I don’t think this will be too big of a deal. Things will iron out over time and it’s not going to change the segment of players who want to practice a bit before jumping into the deep end vs the segment that would fresh unlock a new job/role and then just jump straight into duty finder with no clue what any buttons do. There will always be those people no matter what.
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    Axl Stream
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    Faerie
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest222 View Post
    Well they’ve already done this with scholar/summoner. You can level summoner all the way up to 70 and then go unlock scholar for a free 70 healer having never touched the role before, and ten hop right into 70 content without a clue (or the same the other way around, though likely with less disastrous results).
    And Yoshi P has said that he regrets that decision and wish to split the 2 apart, just doesn't know how yet.
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    Solala Sola
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    Leviathan
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Personally I never liked the newer classes introduced in expansions past arr to always start at some higher level than normal.
    I get why they do it, and certainly having to slog all the way from level 1 would suck in some ways.
    But IMO it takes away from getting to experience much of the content with it (unless you're intentionally going back to old content with it just to say you did) and doesn't give the player enough time to gain a deep understanding of how to play it optimally, certainly not if they're a casual player.

    Besides, it's not like old classes have been adjusted to allow players to just skip fifty levels if they want to do the msq on one of those classes.
    I don't see them allowing me to start as a lv50 monk in stormblood.
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