Gender locked race?

[Aggomarr]

Yeah, I never wear a helmet, lmao. I can't stand how out of place the horns are just... poking out. Usually I do sunglasses, a circlet, or the curved horns I use now. Though the horns look clashing as hell in that lodestone picture... It's much less gross looking in-game, I promise. <_<;

[Shougun]

I would absolutely love to have playable male Viera, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Having talked through it here I believe it might be possible we see male viera marry a ronso "sort-of" design (a mane of hair, perhaps muscular design, perhaps first race with body hair, and a strong face (usually each race has a strong and soft face option too though)). Certainly wouldn't make them very feminine for those wanting little bunny bois but could mean some mean bunny men (minimum size with softest face might make something feminine-ish though). I'm also very curious on the clans, could be possible that there are the Viera we see now with soft like men and then a feral like viera clan of both men and women as well.

I definitely agree people should try to incorporate lion into discussion just due to that person's accuracy is too high to ignore, but I think it might be many possible ways to interpret.. Like they blow us out of the water with two races, or they're still Veria men but just a bit dimorphic, I feel far less likely but still "possible" two gender locked races. Less possible because they'd have to know introducing that concept would lead to a guaranteed backlash, and unless the male race is amazing couldn't drown out the backlash. Although I'd suggest you might be able to find a bright side in that you can ask for them to be unlocked (perhaps gaining more races in the end than otherwise, if this expansion is truly the last race they add).

At this point I think hope should exist in a strong limbo, sitting right next to worry as well in limbo lol.

On the other hand, it could be possible. Perhaps the reason why males weren't revealed is because the models aren't ready yet.

The only problem I have with this is that they said a few times in presentation that something wasn't ready and will be shown off later. If that was true about male viera I feel like they'd say it.. Unless it's not a male viera or it's going to look quite a bit different and they want to have some sort of reveal for it imo... Of course they could have just kept it secret to give people anxiety as discussed before lol.

Omg it would be so evil

[RoroCookies]

So someone in this thread said that the leaker was asked about his icon and I couldn't help but want to find the quote out of curiosity.

"So I asked Blu about extra info and he said to look at his profile pic, It had a Rabbit and a Lion on it. Now the Rabbit is obvious as Viera and I asked if the Lion was something like Ronso since it's the only Lion like race I could think of other than Miqo'te all his said was I was pretty close. I'm hoping its Ronso because they are natural born Blue Mage type fighters so learning BLU from them would be cool. But we will see if this is right soon"

The leaker didn't outright state Ronso, but he did outright state Viera in his posts. I can imagine the second race he could've gotten mixed up about was a different variant of Viera... 'young elezen like'. Meanwhile, the Lion-like look could be fluffy male Viera or an npc race like Lupin.
But yeah, the more I think about how things are panning out now, like someone a while go talked about how the Viera's Forest has been attacked and along with the fact that we shouldn't be able to freely walk in there without a good enough reason then things begin to add up. Also... female Ronso exists so genderlocking them would make the least amount of sense.

[Gwenorai]

So I was thinking on this again and something hit me regarding numbers of Viera and how the argument of 'they're too rare'.

Lore has it that the Viera population in Ivalice is 5%. Ivalice is quite large and has a very big population. Viera aren't exactly endangered - there's no lack of them; they're just confined to woods for the most part. No plot that I recall of where their numbers are 'dying'. Though, I will remind that Viera means 'of the wood' and that if a Viera leaves the wood they are no longer considered 'Viera'

Anyway! Let's do some lame maths.
Let's say Ivalice has a population of 3million - small; considering how huge it is; and for comparison, the population of the UK - which is tiny in size regards to land mass - has a population of 66million - so for this example, I'm aiming disgustingly low. Note; I picked this number because of medieval England - even smaller than the UK! - had a population of 3million + that was with war/famine/bad hygiene etc. And of course, Ivalice is based on medieval Europe. Ivalice by estimate is more than just 10x bigger than England - that's a given.

5% of 3million is 150000 give or take. Now Viera births are 8:2 in regards to female and male. So 20% of 150000 = 30000 let's now cull the poor males because of their lifestyle. I'll be drastic and cull them by 75% which is extremely high. We now have 7500 males. That's 7500 males doing border control. 7500 males that can live up to 300+ years that breed every 3-5 summers with females, who also live up to 300+.

I have to ask; how would this spoil immersion? I honestly don't understand how people could get upset if 5 of those '7500' males happens to be in their vicinity or something. Or even ten of them or twenty etc. You're not going to see 7500 male Viera around you at one given time.

Edit: The 5% is a percentage taken from the 'Encyclopedia of Eorzea II'

On the other hand, I wish there was 7500 handsome male Viera in my vicinity at all times. I'll be your border, bunny men.

[KaijinRhada]

Also... female Ronso exists so genderlocking them would make the least amount of sense.

That and it also denies a choice for people that want a tough bestial female, so it presents the same problem on the other side of the spectrum.

More choices are great! Less choices are disappointing. A handful of weeks or so to go and then we'll see what turns this takes.

Please male bunbuns. ;^;

[xbahax92]

Most likely, Viera will be female-only and the male-only race will be Ronso. I really hope this isn't the case. But something tells me we're going to be disappointed.

We gotta drop this idea with ronso stuff really.
You think they gonna drop Ronsos just like that into the story? Dont you think this will hurt the lore?
Beside its already very tense with adding a Nier themed raid, which might be rejected by the community cause of lore reasons.

Dont forget, Yoshida is a huge Tactics/Ivalice fan. So I can imagine that him being maybe the first producer to reveal a male Viera clan/appearance.

[Beckett]

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You're putting the cart before the horse here. SE isn't trying to find reasons to justify adding male Viera even though it doesn't fit the lore, they created the lore as a justification to not add male Viera.

You can't even argue that they created that lore to justify why we've never seen any male Viera before. So far we've only seen one Viera in-game, who happened to be female. Going only by FFXIV, we'd have no reason to question why we haven't seen any male Viera, only why we've never seen any other Viera of any gender.

It's true we only ever saw female Viera in XII/TA, but that's a different continuity. There's no need for the lore of this game to justify the lore of a completely different universe. If SE wanted to add playable male Viera in XIV, they wouldn't have created an excuse not to.

[KaijinRhada]

I have to ask; how would this spoil immersion? I honestly don't understand how people could get upset if 5 of those '7500' males happens to be in their vicinity or something. Or even ten of them or twenty etc. You're not going to see 7500 male Viera around you at one given time.

On the other hand, I wish there was 7500 handsome male Viera in my vicinity at all times. I'll be your border, bunny men.

I have similar thoughts.

When people say that numerous player characters of a specific race/gender/class combination breaks immersion, I personally find it odd. As far as the game is concerned, your own character is the only one that matters, and everyone else is just Adventurer Jane/Joe of some vague signalment. Racial numbers will never take into account PC numbers by any measure. An oft mentioned example would be male Keepers of the Moon, and even male Seekers of the Sun don't really hold a high proportion of the Miqo'te population in total, and there are so many PCs running around as one (and I originally played as a male Keeper).

[Gwenorai]

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That's just as much speculation as what I was doing. Lore is lore, they can't justify 'this' when the male miqo'te were also in the same boat with similar abysmal numbers. The 5% I got wasn't from tactics or FF12 - it was from the latest encyclopedia of Eorzea; this was Yoshida's 'domain' so to speak - so this is FF14s version of Ivalice.

[Beckett]

That's just as much speculation as what I was doing. Lore is lore, they can't justify 'this' when the male miqo'te were also in the same boat with similar abysmal numbers. The 5% I got wasn't from tactics or FF12 - it was from the latest encyclopedia of Eorzea; this was Yoshida's 'domain' so to speak.

Let me rephrase: What possible reason would they have to create the lore that male Viera are incredibly few in number and never leave the forest, while they're simultaneously working on creating Viera as a playable race?

The case with Mi'qote is a perfect example. They created the lore that males were few in number and never went out as a justification to not make them playable. It was only much later that they had to adjust the lore in order to make male Mi'qote adventurers make sense. So for male Viera, why would they create lore they know that they'll instantly have to change?