Gender locked race?

[Theodric]

We've been specifically directed to the in-game text where Viera men are concerned. To me it reads as we're either not getting them at all due to how they 'simply do not exist to us' or we will end up getting them somehow but they'll be the fierce and rugged protectors of the forest that they're described as and implied to be.

[Duskane]

We've been specifically directed to the in-game text where Viera men are concerned. To me it reads as we're either not getting them at all due to how they 'simply do not exist to us' or we will end up getting them somehow but they'll be the fierce and rugged protectors of the forest that they're described as and implied to be.

yeah the line "searching for them will find disappointment or even death" is a big omen

[Gwenorai]

yeah the line "searching for them will find disappointment or even death" is a big omen

Yeah, it's all about how it's interpreted it really.

All I know is that the Imperials surely know they're there - especially those multiple of legions who went into the forest only to be brutalized and I imagine they were brutalized way before they came into contact with the village - otherwise, why let survivors go with that knowledge? While there are female wood-wardens they tend to stick to the village with the males being the outside guard.

I don't know why but the whole imagery of a one-man army just brutalising a whole legion is amazing to me - or even a few of them working together just picking them off one by one Rambo style. And those that left to go join them; were they female wood wardens? Did some of the females hear about these outsiders and decide they wanted to leave? What did the Imperials have to offer that made them want to leave?

I'm hoping to see some Imperial Viera. I'd love to see a Viera male who has reached a high rank in the Imperial army - not because he likes the Empire but right now he believes it's the only way his people and the wood can survive. Heck, i'd settle on a female doing this.

This just spins back to my original point for male viera that I don't understand how we can go into there homeland during wartime and not come across a male Viera who by nature are already aggressive and vicious to outsiders. What would be the lore that would have them be complete 'out of the picture' other than a mass genocide?

The lore we got has the males be described in a lot more detail and has them painted far from 'cute' - I think this was done with intention.

[wereotter]

yeah the line "searching for them will find disappointment or even death" is a big omen

Eh..... not necessarily

It's one thing to say "if you go traipsing through the jungle trying to find one, they'll find you first and kill you on sight" but that doesn't account for male Viera who choose to live a different lifestyle from the path laid out for them. Consider that literally every female Viera we will meet is doing exactly that, leaving a life in nature for one in the city, and it's not impossible to consider there may be males doing the same, especially if we come to learn that there's a hierarchy among male Viera similar to the Miquotes. A male Viera who is further down the pecking order, a beta Viera if you will, might decide that he will have a better chance at a more fulfilling life if he abandons life in the jungle for life in the city.

I still believe that there's a good argument for seeing them in the game.

[TaiyoShikasu]

"But the lore," I say as I create an Au Ra character at the start of ARR.

[Theodric]

The creator of Viera went out of his way to make many other elements of Ivalice fit into FFXIV very smoothly. Yet in the case of Viera, he chose to describe the men exactly as they were implemented into FFXII and the other applicable games.

Add to that Yoshi-P stating outright in the past that he found Viera men to be 'weird' the chances aren't looking all that good. I'd say it's best to avoid getting too optimistic to prevent disappointment.

[Tabbs]

"But the lore," I say as I create an Au Ra character at the start of ARR.

Pretty much this.

[Alesone]

"But the lore," I say as I create an Au Ra character at the start of ARR.

The lore isn't there as an excuse to exclude male Viera, it's there as an explanation as why we won't see any. There's a nuance there people can't seem to grasp. If male viera aren't happening, their decisions for doing such are certainly not just the "lore" even if they try to say that, there's certainly a different reason behind the decision. If it happens, we'll see what they have to say about why they went that direction (if they do).

[TaiyoShikasu]

The lore isn't there as an excuse to exclude male Viera, it's there as an explanation as why we won't see any. There's a nuance there people can't seem to grasp. If male viera aren't happening, their decisions for doing such are certainly not just the "lore" even if they try to say that, there's certainly a different reason behind the decision. If it happens, we'll see what they have to say about why they went that direction (if they do).

When has lore applied to the player? Canonically there's like three white mages in existence, but there's nothing stopping anyone from becoming one.

Dark knights? Lore-wise there's even fewer of them.

Male Miqo'te are supposed to be rare af, but no one in-game pats an eye to seeing dozens of them in any city-state. And the gay Nuhns. So many gay Nuhns.

Or going back to the Au Ra example, Sidguru's people were fired on by Ishgardian's, but a player who's an Au Ra isn't even touched upon.

It's almost like the players race and job doesn't have any effect on Lore and vice versa.

[Iscah]

Or going back to the Au Ra example, Sidguru's people were fired on by Ishgardian's, but a player who's an Au Ra isn't even touched upon.

Although oddly enough, Sidurgu himself is able to stay in the city, and even have a confrontation with a Halonic priestess without being slain on sight.

Unless it's explained at some point in the 60-70 quests, it seems at odds with the rest of his story. Not saying there's something suspicious about it, just maybe an oversight by the writers.


Generally though, I would have to imagine an Auri Warrior of Light having a harder time fitting into Ishgard than the others. (But then nobody in Gridania showed their usual prejudice regarding Duskwights towards my alt character, either.)

The joys of generic script writing....