Gender locked race?

[Gwenorai]

I keep seeing these arguments regarding the original games and how the males weren't shown, and I'm just okay. These things are pretty easy to explain away. If Matsuno didn't like the idea of a male Viera he wouldn't have created the lore to have them in the first place. This kind of thinking where oh 'well they didn't add them into the game = well the creator doesn't like them' is silly.

You know what else we didn't see in that game?

• -Female Rev
• -Female Garif
• -Female Ronso (for the most part)
• -Female Banga that could be distinguished from the males - cost efficient to have them use the same models.

In regards to the first two, we know they exist - they're in the lore. Rev got completed shafted, however. In regards to female Ronso, we see, like what? Two? And they were only added so there could be some diversity into the blitzball team.

Does the creator hate those races as well? Or maybe because there's no point into adding a model into a game that isn't going to have any use at all. There is no point adding something into the game that doesn't need to be added if it has little to no consequence to the main story. It's a waste of money, time and space.

Furthermore, the lore for Viera was expanded recently regarding FF14. Tactics they just had the females; yet again, makes sense - what's the point adding in another model just for the sake of it? Heck, the lore in that game also falsely identifies them as 'female only' - they could have followed that lore instead if they wished.

In fact in tactics the Viera race was dead and we were in a 'dream world'. In the second one, they returned and were alive, though as someone stated; could easily have been the fact the males hadn't returned yet from that purgatory - or returned to a different place.

A reminder as well that these were released back in the 90s, where sex appeal was big. Still is, but it was more common back then. Does anyone remember the early Tomb Raider games? Or how big Tifa's chest was/is?

And before we get to the argument of; but the male Viera is useless for ShadowBringers - we won't need them. Considering where we're going, what the plot might give us and the times that the WoD is living in, well... We don't have a Fran to escort us through the woods this time.

I'm happy that there's just so much lore on the males after so long of near nothing. I'm glad they expanded upon that, I hope they did it for a reason that is beyond that of - lore reason why genderlocks exist.

[Iscah]

The thing is we have already seen them change these statements with the Au Ra; because French language rules dictate gender-neutral terms because of their name starting with an A. So we have seen how this coding works when there is only one gender option.

I don't think that means that they actually share the *programming* of the pronoun - it would just mean that the same pronoun is put into the male Au Ra and female Au Ra text.

Wracking my head trying to figure out how on earth they could possibly justify having no male Viera being visible. I doubt a single forest fire would be enough to kill them off, regardless of whether or not it was caused by Garleans. They couldn't be killed by Black Rose either, since if that were the case it would not only kill them but the entire female Viera village and the Nu Mou as well.

If they're going to be unseen, then I think it's simple enough that they just actively avoid us. Maybe we'll have a female Viera accompanying us, or maybe word can somehow be passed to them that we're allowed to be there, and they'll let us travel safely through the forest and just never come into contact with us.

The who now?

Our boy is becoming the WoD.

Who says we aren't still being the Warrior of Light as well?

Because not everyone does raids. If you don't do the Coils of Bahamut they retcon the MSQ for you. The lore around this kind of side content is subject to change. If you haven't done Return to Ivalice, Fran will probably be introduced in a completely different way if they decide to make her relevant in Shadowbringers, and any Viera lore about them keeping to the forest will probably be thrown out the window.

There's a difference between retconning the sequence of events (eg. pretending the Binding Coil didn't happen yet) and actually "throwing out" lore that you skipped. Ignoring the Coils doesn't change the facts about what's there. Ignoring the Ivalice raid doesn't mean that the lore established there doesn't apply to the rest of the game.

Au Ra is a beast race like lalafell is tall >.> lol. Ronso, Charr, Lupis, Pantera.. things like that are beast race (alibet Lupis and Pantera have strong humandoid features, but still fairly beastly more so than Au Ra and Miqote imo).

Also I came up with, imo, the:
Beast Race Test

Au Ra is a beast(like) race by this game's limited space in which to design races that are distinguishable as "men" rather than "beastmen". So yeah, your Beast Race Test is probably a fair gauge of that, but it's also why it's unlikely we'll get any races that pass it. Who knows whether they would be more bold with the designs if they hadn't written themselves into a corner back in ARR?

[Lauront]

Who says we aren't still being the Warrior of Light as well?

Maybe, maybe not. All that we do know is that the transition to WoD will certainly be coming into play.

[ShinShimon]

Woah where are you getting 90% out of? If these forums are any indication there are certainly more people who want both genders of Viera than gender locked races. A lot of people on other sites are constantly drawing male Viera, and even some go as far as to break the game rules and run around with mods to give them Viera ears. Pro-gender lock supporters have been the minority as far as evidence suggests.

The people who don't care don't post.

[Taykawai]

The people who don't care don't post.

So the only ones that care for the game are the ones that post on foruns? XD

[Crushnight]

Hmm i had a revisit of stuff after someone mentioned how the trials are mostly just monstrous males and beautiful women and holey moley their right for people who may not have done all side quests

This is the most non monstrous male trial:

Old man with beard and this is due to them using Ramuh as a concept as in final fantasy he is always depicted as an old man so they were forced with that concept

This is the 2nd non monstrous looking trial:

Yep Rock dude while not 'Pretty' he is very humanoid in appearance everything else that is classed as a male trial is far more Beastly after these two

For females the most monstrous looking trial:

Yep the OG female trial is still the most monstrous looking one and even then you really can tell how pretty they tried to make her

2nd most monstrous female:

This is purely for that 2nd head underneath she would be the least monstrous looking one without it

The Devs have a clear direction with how they like things and its only going to be through continued constructive feedback that they may attempt to go outside their comfort zone like more monstrous females and bunny men i would love more options for everyone but it needs to be in a way that is not too aggressive

[Lauront]

Female monstrosities outside of the trials exist, but like I said, you won't always be able to tell if they're even female, because they lack many of the secondary female traits that human women have. Certainly, female dragons are monstrous beings by human standards.

Titan may not be the most monstrous but he's certainly one of the ugliest trial bosses.

The Devs have a clear direction with how they like things and its only going to be through continued constructive feedback that they may attempt to go outside their comfort zone like more monstrous females and bunny men i would love more options for everyone but it needs to be in a way that is not too aggressive

You'll have an uphill battle with that, because it'd require showing some tangible benefit to the game of doing so, like increased profitability. I doubt it's something that most players are even remotely concerned about. At least with male Viera, as it relates to a playable race option, you will manage to garner some sympathy.

[Crushnight]

Female monstrosities outside of the trials exist, but like I said, you won't always be able to tell if they're even female, because they lack many of the secondary female traits that human women have. Certainly, female dragons are monstrous beings by human standards.

Yep plenty outside trials have very monstrous females someone mentioned trials so i did pure trials as the basis some female monstrocities we know:

Titan may not be the most monstrous but he's certainly one of the ugliest trial bosses.

Agreed Byakko and Seiryu are much prettier than titan but are more monstrous as a whole can't just take the pretty faces had to consider the tiger and snakes too so that is why they are below titan

You'll have an uphill battle with that, because it'd require showing some tangible benefit to the game of doing so, like increased profitability. I doubt it's something that most players are even remotely concerned about. At least with male Viera, as it relates to a playable race option, you will manage to garner some sympathy.

Again agreed asking devs to go with something they are uncomfortable with is going to create friction so the demand must outweigh that safety the devs are human beings afterall and they are more likely to try it if their is enough people wanting something and are polite when asking for it every time.

[BillyKaplan]

Echidna and that CT boss

They still went out of their way to give them, er, certain female bodily features, if you follow.
Now, while we're on the topic of the beast tribe, all it takes is the one look at the female-locked beast tribe to see that this pattern actually continues. In many ways, the Ananta are much closer to humans than any other beast tribe you're going to run into.
As for female dragons, I can go for quite a while about how out of the three siblings, it was Ratatoskr who was basically fridged, off-screen, without any characterization, so Nidhogg can go on a thousand years of vengeance (overly simplified but her death was a big part of why he sought vengeance, and why Hraesvelgr helped him, while we learn the most about Ratatoskr herself in the short stories). But that's straying a bit too far, so I'll leave it with the very simple point that there's a very clear, obvious pattern in how the devs both design and write a lot of their female characters. And it manifests in other things too, like how people really wouldn't be surprised if we didn't get bunny boys... even though as the developers, they could've made them as mascular and beefy as they wanted them to be to avoid feeling... uncomfortable. But the reality of the matter is that far too few people would be surprised if they did ended up gender-locking them. many of the remaining people would just be disappointed.

[WhiteArchmage]

In fact in tactics the Viera race was dead and we were in a 'dream world'. In the second one, they returned and were alive, though as someone stated; could easily have been the fact the males hadn't returned yet from that purgatory - or returned to a different place.

Swear to gods I have to repeat this every so often. Tactics = Every non-hume race is dead or way deeper in hiding (there is a theory somewhere that the Viera became one with the woods and became the female-looking Treants in Tactics). Tactics Advance: Dream Ivalice. Tactics A2 = Real Ivalice with Dimension Hopping/Time Travel Shenaningans, technically not Ivalice but the continent of Jylland.

Ivalice is my favorite FF setting, and Tactics my favorite FF, I tend to get irked when people confuse or conflate the first one with the Advance one