Gender locked race?

[BillyKaplan]

If we are to take the Dramaturge at his word, then it's safe to assume that male Viera will be relatively androgynous in their appearance considering how it's impossible to tell them apart from girls up until the age of 13.

You realize that in many ways, that's true for humans too, right? Then puberty kicks in and boy, are the differences noticeable. So I wouldn't expect them to be androgynous, necessarily

[Shougun]

Or it could be that the males remain in the village up until their society notices they aren't growing any bigger as opposed to the females.

And the logical response to that would be.... kicking them out into the wild...? "smol boi smoll, get out of village, go live in forest now". I feel that those two concepts are counter to each other, personally at least lol.

However if the males become hyper aggressive and capable long-term survival fighters then kicking them out would be fairly logical, just please come back for mating season bois.

Aggressiveness, survival, fighting, these tend to line up with a masculine appearance (although I think it'll be close to the SE concept art and not like.. BEASTMODE "can't tell if you're a viera" lol).

Especially if you consider the trope that superior fighting in males, in media/games, = extra masculine traits and fighting in females = extra feminine traits. Our females who are fighters tend to not show masculinity and appear sexy and lithe, except when done for the exception itself (like Zarya in Overwatch). Just playing the odds of gambling the descriptions that should befall someone that's kicked out and has to survive the wilds with little civilization, who is male, would be one that is at least moderately masculine.

Add on top all the other things we know like Yoshi-P's feelings on male Viera being cute.. I'm guessing males are not "cute small things forced into exile".

[Senn]

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It doesn't have to be logical. They don't have to be masculine.

[Shougun]

It doesn't have to be logical. They don't have to be masculine.

Of course, but if we're in the land of illogical then it's anything. Any illlogical statement having as much ground as another, like:

It doesn't have to be logical. They don't have to be feminine.

I hope at least I've been clear that I'm not saying what I think as if it is a fact, but as a likely outcome due to how I'm interpreting logic (with our limited, yet emphasized by the developer, lore).

It's fine for people to want something, and SE to create a universe they feel is good, but I feel best to argue I think a smaller than female male bunny kicked out into the wild paints an unlikely story of "what's wrong you guys?". Like we need to go in and change the Viera culture cause they seem broken lol.

Meanwhile if the males become hyper aggressive and perfect territorial guardians then it makes more sense they leave, and I feel less like "you guys are messed up".

Alternatively if that's hard to picture instead picture that the males who are larger than the females of Hrothgar race kick the females out to defend the forest so the males can stay at home. . . . Nani?

[xbahax92]

Add on top all the other things we know like Yoshi-P's feelings on male Viera being cute.. I'm guessing males are not "cute small things forced into exile".

We also know male Miqo'te went through his supervision and yet they're not really super cute, nor super feminine. Its the players choice how they're designing their OWN characters. All that SE has to do, is give different face types and be neutral about it.
Male Miqo'te do definetly not look overly cute nor feminine. Male Viera can get the same treatment.

[Shougun]

We also know male Miqo'te went through his supervision and yet they're not really super cute, nor super feminine. Its the players choice how they're designing their OWN characters. All that SE has to do, is give different face types and be neutral about it.
Male Miqo'te do definetly not look overly cute nor feminine. Male Viera can get the same treatment.

Not sure if you're adding to or agreeing or disagreeing with me lol. I'm going to guess adding to me. I don't disagree with you that they could (and SHOULD) add options to a race such that they encompass more than just one element (for diversity of choice).

Just keeping in mind you're responding to me in the context that male viera look like Viera children and don't go past any substantial puberty, and then those basically children are kicked out of the home to protect the forest. . lol. That I was mentioning Yoshi-P's statement that Viera Male appeared to be cute and he wasn't crazy for that because having Viera Male appear to be children (at least on average, and not as some option) would be counter to his desire which means he not only had a change of heart but a very very large change of heart.

I am not opposed to being able to create a small Viera male through options, or a cute non-masculine male. I'm talking about the standard appearance and what it would "likely" be based off the lore and what female Viera look like.

In part why I think clans here could be so great. Imagine a Viera clan that for whatever reason had very low impact puberty transformations, both male and female - this clan stuck together and is separate to the Fran Viera clan (doesn't have to be both genders but seems like a way to make them different than Fran). Maybe could have fun with the lore too like the Garleans are checking out what causes the rapid onset from pre to post puberty transformations of the Viera (let's say it happens over a few months unlike humans).. So through their science tests they create a small Viera race, stunted as they've extracted some part of their being - genetically stunted Viera part of an experiment to create standardized genetically enhanced Garlean soldiers. New Garlean enemy type, new Viera type. Or whatever, they could be bunnies that live in caves near the dwarves lol (small to fit in tunnels easily).

I just find that the culture of Viera, that we know, does not jive with the suggestion that the males standard appearance will be that of a 13 year old Viera child (their puberty being non-visual). I am not against sliders and options that might counter the "standard look" though (allowing people muscular tall Viera females or low muscle short Viera males)! My opinion at least :3.

[cicatriz313]

Have to post to state that having only one gender for a race is 100% NOT a "Korean" thing. It's just a game thing that has recently become less common. Also I don't know how much we can read into the lore, considering everyone has used the lore to justify their viewpoints throughout this thread, so it sounds pretty open to interpretation lol.

[Lauront]

Have to post to state that having only one gender for a race is 100% NOT a "Korean" thing. It's just a game thing that has recently become less common. Also I don't know how much we can read into the lore, considering everyone has used the lore to justify their viewpoints throughout this thread, so it sounds pretty open to interpretation lol.

This aspect of it certainly is, precisely because of how much it is silent on.

[BillyKaplan]

I feel like this entire debacle is a means to lure people into PvP because I don't think there will be any other settling this until the next FanFest lmao

[cicatriz313]

I feel like this entire debacle is a means to lure people into PvP because I don't think there will be any other settling this until the next FanFest lmao

Lol considering how few people I've seen in hidden gorge, I wouldn't be surprised.