Gender locked race?

[ErysNight]

That mentality is something I have to disagree with. Wishing the exclusion of a choice by principle and by virtue of disliking the extreme positions that people hold (or the people themselves) makes no one happy. Certainly I think some people are acting out of hand in their anticipatory anger, but I'm not going to say "hey, you're being childish, so you shouldn't have this ever, and we may as well punish the reasonable people too, since they're only collateral damage!"

The demographics that want any given feature shouldn't be defined by a few people that metaphorically are flipping tables, and are much broader than that. The better way of dealing with this is by having and promoting respectful conversation and debate, despite things getting heated.

Yes, I completely agree with you. I am not even married to my mentality. I am firmly just disgusted by this thread right now and will probably cool down tomorrow and go back to doing that.

Bravo for having more patience than me. I hope it's posts like yours that the dev team sees because advocating for common sense and decency went no where when people's M.O.s are to just skip and ignore what their saying without a logical following.

[ErysNight]

Rude is advertising a new expansion with this race for $40-$200 and then revealing its genderlocked only. If that's how you choose to interpret my comments then by all means continue but I'm being as direct and open as I can. Chaos will ensue if they make the mistake of revealing genderlocked Vieras and I won't feel sorry for anyone when that happens since there are thousands of posts in support of Male Viera. Ignore the people who pay for your product and they'll ignore you.

But do you at least acknowledge that it's completely within their right to do so as a company and this is just an opinion you have and you're upset because you won't get what you want. Saying they are cheating you out of money is shenanigans.

The price of the expac doesn't matter (you don't have to buy it). You're just salt mines galore because you aren't getting what you want? Also when has SE ever ignored us with this game. They gave us male bunny suits, it just takes time. I'm not even convinced male viera aren't ever going to happen. Just probably not at launch.

[Lauront]

It's more of a "I find it hard to believe you would unsub from this game unless you're bored of it, or disagree with the gameplay changes SE make" (PvP being one example). Unsubbing because a race won't have a male version is silly to me, especially if you like everything else about the game (assuming he still enjoys the game and no male Viera is the only reason he would unsub).

I don't like gender-locking races in principle. I can understand why it would be enough to drive someone to unsub.

[ErysNight]

I don't like gender-locking races in principle. I can understand why it would be enough to drive someone to unsub.

Honestly, unsubbing is the only way to really get SE's attention. Even if it's only for a couple months it's the most powerful tool consumers have.

[Lacan]

Just pls give us the man bunnies Yoshi. ;-;

[ErysNight]

Just pls give us the man bunnies Yoshi. ;-;

A reasonable post. That first "like" is from me.

[Lauront]

Honestly, unsubbing is the only way to really get SE's attention. Even if it's only for a couple months it's the most powerful tool consumers have.

Yup, but that's the course Redcurrant is proposing to take. For me, it's not something that would push me over the tipping point, but I think it's a very negative design direction. Even BDO is starting to shy away from the gender locks.

I don't even mind the fact that the devs imbue the game with their more traditional Japanese mindset... I honestly find some of the "progressivism" in the US market to be cheapen games, as it's not what I turn to fantasy games for. However, I don't see how gender-locking Viera and introducing Hrothgar fits into this all, especially when they caved in and gave bunny outfits to both genders. At least with male Viera, they have full artistic direction so as to avoid making them cutesy. Why is it an issue now, after you can design very cutesy catboys with bunny ears? Hence, I don't take the 2013 remarks by Yoshi-P particularly seriously as an objection to male Viera.

I think if they are introducing Hrothgar, they will end up having to later on put in both genders. If that's the intention and they will simply "complete" each race later on in time, I've no real issue with it.

[ErysNight]

Yup, but that's the course Redcurrant is proposing to take. For me, it's not something that would push me over the tipping point, but I think it's a very negative design direction. Even BDO is starting to shy away from the gender locks.

I don't even mind the fact that the devs imbue the game with their more traditional Japanese mindset... I honestly find some of the "progressivism" in the US market to be cheapen games. However, I don't see how gender-locking Viera and introducing Hrothgar solves this problem, especially when they caved in and gave bunny outfits to both genders.

Honestly, with the number of documented times they've talked about development cost constraints (SE treats FFXIV as a cashcow and draws a ton of profit from it without giving them much of an increased budget for development), why even make a second race? It has to be considerably easier to just make male and females, avoid all the ire from the vocal minority and develop gear for the male counterpart to the females.

So I am really interested in their reasoning at this point. I need the JP fanfest now lol.

[Roda]

Yes, I completely agree with you. I am not even married to my mentality. I am firmly just disgusted by this thread right now and will probably cool down tomorrow and go back to doing that.

Bravo for having more patience than me. I hope it's posts like yours that the dev team sees.

I hope you know that not having a horse in this race, and coming in here and wishing an unfavorable outcome on those who just care too much is fanning the flames for those who are posting here because they would be extremely disappointed with se if they decided to give us two half finished races instead of one finished race.

Putting someone in a mindset where it is 100% chance that they will be disappointed already puts folk in a foul mood. And saying they deserve it when they express their desire to stop supporting a company that has stopped supporting them further diminishes their mood. Doing both when they have been being goaded by contrarians, "got mine, f you" folks, and people shaming them for having preferences pushes the thread into a flame war. I've never seen someone calling someone's poorly expressed concerns a tantrum and defusing the tension with the comparison.

[Theodric]

I like cats. I want to play a big, beefy cat man.

By all means, add male Viera too - my beefy cat man will need something to chase around!