Gender locked race?

[Lacan]

Lol, nothing nasty about being truthful. Your line of thinking is just as backwards as everyone else who is praying for male Viera. There's no way they're so far behind in development when it is being released in June that they couldn't show ANYTHING or say ANYTHING when it came to them. Yoshi was being purposefully coy about waiting for the JP fanfest because he's always coy about things. The lore thing definitely leads to the hint that they're LESS likely to be made a playable race than more. We might get male Viera at some point, but I honestly think anyone who is looking with clear eyes and not hopefuly eyes sees that the clues point to a certain conclusion. And to spell it out, it's that they aren't making male Viera for 5.0.

He wouldn't be coy about something if the answer is just going to be a straight "no", he's not like that. There would be no point in giving people false hope like that. Do you think Yoshi wants to alienate fans? Give a neither yes or no answer to something only for the answer to just be "no" in the end? That isn't good publicity for him.

Nothing in the lore makes them less likely either. Sure, they're rarer than the females? So are male miqote and they're playable. If they didn't want male viera in the game, they wouldn't have established them to begin with.

[ErysNight]

I think you're being nasty here for no reason. Did you ever consider that female viera are just further along development wise because they needed to get the model ready for Fran, and that is why they didn't show the men yet? And when asked about male viera, we were told to wait for Japanese fanfest. There was no dismissal. If they knew we weren't going to get male viera they would have said something to that effect when they showed the female viera.

Not to mention they have already given us lore for the m viera. They could have just as easily made viera a female only race like the galka from FF 11, but they didn't. They made a point to explain the role of men in viera society. If they thought "male bunnybois" were too weird to include, they wouldn't have worked them into the game at all.

I think we're getting male viera regardless, the question is just a matter of when. That's why hrothgar have made the situation so confusing.

I don't know if you've had the chance to see any of the panels or listen to how the dev team operates over the years... but 5.0 is pretty much done in terms of "what content is going to be included at lauch" and the art team is already working on 5.1. (Source Art Panel from EU Fanfest)

Viera, showcased by the Art team, would have been designed by them first. The idea that Male Viera is behind on development isn't logical with the factual information we have from the team as recently as last month. When the main person that was responsible for creating the viera concept art for the girls we are getting said she's already working on 5.1 things. That is a pretty big indicator.

But what's more? Yoshi openly tells us when he wants to show us things but they weren't ready in time. The new Savage series hit a snag and Yoshi told us flat out he wanted to show us but couldn't (Source Fanfest). So why wouldn't they just tell us that when they have a habit of being honest with us?

Having an opinion, being dissapointed in not getting something is 100% ok. But when you bash a dev team that has shown us time and time again they are doing what they can for us, with the resources they are given by even bigger SE and bashing them over and over in 160 pages of the OF? Nah, that's ridiculous entitled behavior.

It's ok to think you're getting something. As noted in the posts you probably didn't read. I am a firm believer that if the people asked in a decent way that we would get it eventually. As we did with the male bunny suits. But it's not ok to just be complete monsters about it to the team that can read these threads and works hard for us with the resources they are given.

Have compassion. Be a decent player base.

He wouldn't be coy about something if the answer is just going to be a straight "no", he's not like that. There would be no point in giving people false hope like that. Do you think Yoshi wants to alienate fans? Give a neither yes or no answer to something only for the answer to just be "no" in the end? That isn't good publicity for him.

Nothing in the lore makes them less likely either. Sure, they're rarer than the females? So are male miqote and they're playable. If they didn't want male viera in the game, they wouldn't have established them to begin with.

You're reading into his response, what you want from it. He can't speak about the male counterpart because it's sanctioned for release at the JP fanfest. That's not him saying "Oh Male Viera are on the way for sure". If anything that's odd behavior and it's super weird already they didn't address it out right. That is not hope, it's an opinion that people have that is morphing into entitlement.

[cicatriz313]

He wouldn't be coy about something if the answer is just going to be a straight "no", he's not like that. There would be no point in giving people false hope like that. Do you think Yoshi wants to alienate fans? Give a neither yes or no answer to something only for the answer to just be "no" in the end? That isn't good publicity for him.

Nothing in the lore makes them less likely either. Sure, they're rarer than the females? So are male miqote and they're playable. If they didn't want male viera in the game, they wouldn't have established them to begin with.

It makes WAY more sense that he didn't say "there will be the male Viera reveal at jp fanfest!" because there will be something different that's a surprise rather than because he's trying to hype up a male Viera reveal. Like seriously, look at it clearly now. And the lore saying they're rare and that you would be hard-pressed to see one definitely sounds more like it's less likely to be playable to me than more likely to be playable. But maybe I'm just looking at it too logically. It's not a comparison between miqote and Viera lore, it's a comparison of given this lore for male Viera, what option sounds like the more obvious conclusion. I'm not saying that it's saying they absolutely won't be playable, I'm just saying that it's not saying that they are absolutely going to be playable and if anything it sounds less likely.

[Tsumdere]

Lol, nothing nasty about being truthful. Your line of thinking is just as backwards as everyone else who is praying for male Viera. There's no way they're so far behind in development when it is being released in June that they couldn't show ANYTHING or say ANYTHING when it came to them. Yoshi was being purposefully coy about waiting for the JP fanfest because he's always coy about things. The lore thing definitely leads to the hint that they're LESS likely to be made a playable race than more. We might get male Viera at some point, but I honestly think anyone who is looking with clear eyes and not hopefuly eyes sees that the clues point to a certain conclusion. And to spell it out, it's that they aren't making male Viera for 5.0.

To be fair, the female Viera we've seen all have the same face and don't even have unique animations since they use Au Ra female stuff. What we've seen is Fran's body with different hair styles and different colors. That being said, I also find it very hard to believe they are BARELY now starting to make Viera 5 months before expansion, unless they have a large amount of people crunching time on them. The combination of female Viera clearly not being close to done despite being 5 months away from ShB and the radio silence on males is what is making people confused. Add some accidental Hrothgar and its a recipe for disaster where no theory is more right or wrong than anyone else's just because there is a lot of conflicting evidence.

Also, I typed out a thing earlier to you responding to why I think gender lock is lazy but I accidentally deleted it. tl;dr it's like game designers can't think of anything else but hot girls and hulking men. To me, artistically it's lazy as they can't breach their comfort zone. Almost like they do with female primals. Notice how all female primals are hot girls in costumes while a large majority of the male ones are monsters? They even hid Lakshmi's tail for some reason. Strange. SE please give me monster girls.

[Lacan]

I don't know if you've had the chance to see any of the panels or listen to how the dev team operates over the years... but 5.0 is pretty much done in terms of "what content is going to be included at lauch" and the art team is already working on 5.1. (Source Art Panel from EU Fanfest)

Viera, showcased by the Art team, would have been designed by them first. The idea that Male Viera is behind on development isn't logical with the factual information we have from the team as recently as last month. When the main person that was responsible for creating the viera concept art for the girls we are getting said she's already working on 5.1 things. That is a pretty big indicator.

But what's more? Yoshi openly tells us when he wants to show us things but they weren't ready in time. The new Savage series hit a snag and Yoshi told us flat out he wanted to show us but couldn't (Source Fanfest). So why wouldn't they just tell us that when they have a habit of being honest with us?

Having an opinion, being dissapointed in not getting something is 100% ok. But when you bash a dev team that has shown us time and time again they are doing what they can for us, with the resources they are given by even bigger SE and bashing them over and over in 160 pages of the OF? Nah, that's ridiculous entitled behavior.

It's ok to think you're getting something. As noted in the posts you probably didn't read. I am a firm believer that if the people asked in a decent way that we would get it eventually. As we did with the male bunny suits. But it's not ok to just be complete monsters about it to the team that can read these threads and works hard for us with the resources they are given.

Have compassion. Be a decent player base.



You're reading into his response, what you want from it. He can't speak about the male counterpart because it's sanctioned for release at the JP fanfest. That's not him saying "Oh Male Viera are on the way for sure". If anything that's odd behavior and it's super weird already they didn't address it out right. That is not hope, it's an opinion that people have that is morphing into entitlement.

There would be no reason to leave the question open if he knew we weren't getting male viera then. That just doesn't make sense. Yoshi wouldn't want to intentionally gaslight people into thinking male viera is possible if they weren't. They were showcasing the female viera and if a trait of the viera race was that it was going to be female only, they would have said that instead of leaving it in the air.

You're making assumptions about the meaning of his words just as much as anyone else in this thread. At the end of the day, all we can do is wait for Japanese fanfest. But from following the way Yoshi has talked about things in the past, it isn't like him to be vague about something like this if the answer is going to be something negative. He'd be direct if he knew it was something people cared about.

[Lacan]

To be fair, the female Viera we've seen all have the same face and don't even have unique animations since they use Au Ra female stuff. What we've seen is Fran's body with different hair styles and different colors. That being said, I also find it very hard to believe they are BARELY now starting to make Viera 5 months before expansion, unless they have a large amount of people crunching time on them. The combination of female Viera clearly not being close to done despite being 5 months away from ShB and the radio silence on males is what is making people confused. Add some accidental Hrothgar and its a recipe for disaster where no theory is more right or wrong than anyone else's just because there is a lot of conflicting evidence.

Also, I typed out a thing earlier to you responding to why I think gender lock is lazy but I accidentally deleted it. tl;dr it's like game designers can't think of anything else but hot girls and hulking men. To me, artistically it's lazy as they can't breach their comfort zone. Almost like they do with female primals. Notice how all female primals are hot girls in costumes while a large majority of the male ones are monsters? They even hid Lakshmi's tail for some reason. Strange. SE please give me monster girls.

Exactly. The female viera don't even look that finished and they were the models they had to start earlier to make Fran for the 24 man raid. The waters about all this stuff is too muddled to make sense of right now. Not to mention that the data files seem to indicate that Hrothgar were in development before the Viera were to begin with, which is very puzzling.

[ErysNight]

There would be no reason to leave the question open if he knew we weren't getting male viera then. That just doesn't make sense. Yoshi wouldn't want to intentionally gaslight people into thinking male viera is possible if they weren't. They were showcasing the female viera and if a trait of the viera race was that it was going to be female only, they would have said that instead of leaving it in the air.

You're making assumptions about the meaning of his words just as much as anyone else in this thread. At the end of the day, all we can do is wait for Japanese fanfest. But from following the way Yoshi has talked about things in the past, it isn't like him to be vague about something like this if the answer is going to be something negative. He'd be direct if he knew it was something people cared about.

I really don't have a leg in this race though in order to read into it. Look at it from a clear unbiased perspective. It really makes zero sense not to reveal male viera at the same time. Aura wasn't split up between two fanfests.

He is documented in an article saying that they know people want viera and are looking into it but males would be weird so maybe another race and we now have a name Hrothgar and a leaker that has been 95%+ accuracte saying we are getting two new races.

Logically if there were males it makes no sense to not tell us asap. You also ignored everything about the art team and development. So ok, you can pick and choose what you want to respond to.

We shall see in a month and a half.

[cicatriz313]

To be fair, the female Viera we've seen all have the same face and don't even have unique animations since they use Au Ra female stuff. What we've seen is Fran's body with different hair styles and different colors. That being said, I also find it very hard to believe they are BARELY now starting to make Viera 5 months before expansion, unless they have a large amount of people crunching time on them. The combination of female Viera clearly not being close to done despite being 5 months away from ShB and the radio silence on males is what is making people confused. Add some accidental Hrothgar and its a recipe for disaster where no theory is more right or wrong than anyone else's just because there is a lot of conflicting evidence.

Also, I typed out a thing earlier to you responding to why I think gender lock is lazy but I accidentally deleted it. tl;dr it's like game designers can't think of anything else but hot girls and hulking men. To me, artistically it's lazy as they can't breach their comfort zone. Almost like they do with female primals. Notice how all female primals are hot girls in costumes while a large majority of the male ones are monsters? They even hid Lakshmi's tail for some reason. Strange. SE please give me monster girls.

I mean if anything a male Viera would fit the mold they already have creatively, though. Like if they're lala-viera types that would be somewhat different than what we already have but otherwise it's the same type of humanesque model with an animal part. If anything, a lion type of burly beastman would be the different type creatively.

Edit: also I don't know what trailer you guys were watching but unless I'm blind, they didn't have all the same faces.

[Lacan]

I really don't have a leg in this race though in order to read into it. Look at it from a clear unbiased perspective. It really makes zero sense not to reveal male viera at the same time. Aura wasn't split up between two fanfests.

He is documented in an article saying that they know people want viera and are looking into it but males would be weird so maybe another race and we now have a name Hrothgar and a leaker that has been 95%+ accuracte saying we are getting two new races.

Logically if there were males it makes no sense to not tell us asap. You also ignored everything about the art team and development. So ok, you can pick and choose what you want to respond to.

We shall see in a month and a half.

Like I said, if the female viera barely look finished then I can understand the male viera just not being ready to show either. There is obviously something strange going on with the viera, and until I get confirmation that there won't be any playable males, I don't buy it. Yoshi has said in the past he doesn't like genderlocked races. Why would he bring them back for the males of a race that already have design work done and ingame lore prepared? We've already been shown art for male viera in the past. If he thought they were weird at one point, he must have gotten over it or those designs would have never happened.

[KaijinRhada]

I am firmly in the "don't care either way camp" but until today I've been documented saying I think it would be silly not to have male viera just on principle. But now? Nah.

So you're rescinding that comment/support, because of some people that are a bit extreme in their hypothetical dissatisfaction?

I know people have their reasons to want/not want/feel neutral about various content, but I think the worst reason is to deny people out of pure spite. You may feel good about making unreasonable people feel bad, but for those that are being reasonable about the topic, it feels petty. It's like people that want the genderlock, simply because BLU is limited, and they want someone else to suffer too (and I personally know people that have that opinion).

Either way, genderlocks aren't something I agree with, but in the end we still have to wait and see.