Gender locked race?

[wereotter]

love how page 1 has a male keeper miqo'te trying to use lore for why male miqo'te shouldn't be playable shame they appear to stop playing though

I love that the first page is full of the same types of arguments we've seen all over this thread. "Eew, femroes would be so gross!" "Male miquotes are too lore breaking!"

[Anvaire]

I personally think Male Viera will be a playable race. But on the chance that they are not, even if they add a second Male only race, I have to say I think it would be a massive mistake.

Viera has been asked about and talked about for years, I remember the idea being floated around in the early days of ARR and throughout it all, it was discussed as both male and female options. I think theres a genuine desire for both genders. I don't think a gender locked race has any place in a modern MMO. Especially given the female Viera's design choice. Though i think that there is no way they could add Viera without including homage to its original source. Personally, not adding male Viera in my opinion would have an overt negative effect on XIV. Not only because it would cause a lot of disappointment in the community, but because it gives an impression that as far as im concerned should be buried.

Yes there is the chance that they could a male only race for balance, but this is the worst case scenario. We have lore on the Viera that could excuse the males being... absent, but with another race, how could that be explained? The only reasonable race that i could accept as Gender-locked are something like the sylphs, because they are completely indistinguishable and in that case, what would be the point? You just wouldn't denote a gender at all.

Essentially, if there are gender locked races added, in whichever format, for me it would be the biggest mistake Yoshi P and the devs have ever made with FFXIV. That said, I don't think they are unaware of the rift it would cause, so I can't see them being so foolish as to gender Lock Viera. In the end though, the JP fan fest will reveal it, for good or ill.

[ErryK]

If you are indeed gay, it baffles me that you would shame someone for not conforming to the norm.

Masculinity is attractive to me, femininity is not. It's just that simple, what's so baffling about that?

Myth: I'm gay and therefore can not be homophobic.

Reality: There's homophobia even inside the gay community, mocking something over percieved "feminity" is one example.

Come again? Homophobia is literally the dislike or prejudice against homosexuals, has nothing to do with femininity or masculinity. Don't get your terms mixed up.

Always has to come round to social politics with the official forums, huh?

[Seraphor]

Being gay and not feminine is homophobic.
You learn something new every day.
Guess I'd better hand in my gay card.

[redcurrant18]

Explaining the inner workings of the gay subcultures is not the main focus of this thread...to summarize things let's just say that people tend to go for people who look like them, though there are chasers that chase the other gay subcultures. They're all based of body types and tend to be really superficial, which is kinda sad but that's just how it works. Bears tend to only like bears because at some point or another they have trauma from being rejected by a skinnier guy. This makes them either hate them or constantly pine on them. Then skinnier guys who have body image and/or daddy issues makes them either chase bears or be grossed out by them.

~Anyways I have a question, is it allowed for people to share pictures of how some players have modded their characters to look like male Viera? I saw some on tumblr that looked amazing but I don't know if that is ok to share them on these forums.

[Wolfyboy]

Anyways, if it wasn't said already, the reference to the appearance of Hrothgar in the GLA quest wasn't in there until after December. It was pointed out by a user called Awaterujin on reddit when someone was curious about when the race was added to the files.

[Melichoir]

Anyways, if it wasn't said already, the reference to the appearance of Hrothgar in the GLA quest wasn't in there until after December. It was pointed out by a user called Awaterujin on reddit when someone was curious about when the race was added to the files.

Howd they know it wasnt in there before?

[Shippuu]

The genders were introduced because players asked for them. Regardless of the status of the game, regardless of experimentation, the feedback was noted and acted on.

But the decision to act on them was absolutely influenced by the state of the game. That's what part of relaunching the game was, taking a list of everything the playerbase had complaints about, and doing what they could to fix them, even if normally it might not have been something a game director would consider necessary.

The very fact Yoshida would even comment and be open to the idea of another genderlocked race just a few months before the relaunch of 2.0 shows that even after fixing that he still felt like the concept of gender locked races was viable for the future.

The same feedback they acted on for 1.0 to 2.0 absolutely wouldn't be the same kind of feedback they act on for the current game.

One of the quotes specifically mentions Yoshi being surprised by the amount of people who wanted a playable Femroe. Today, Femroes are the least popular played race and yet the game is better for having them for those that, for one reason or another, want to be a big muscular chick.

And I wonder how he feels about that particular decision and development time spent. He might take caution in the future and perhaps not listen to people who may seem vocal about something, only to ultimately not actually play it/consume it. Similarly, people complained (and still do, in this thread even) about the dimorphic nature of Au Ra. He could easily take that pushback and apply it to help himself justify not doing male Viera. If he wanted to make them dimorphic (again because he's not keen on male bunnies), but then he'd catch flak again for doing it, it might encourage him to just not do that and instead we are presented with a possible male only separate race.

Im not going to imply that gender locked races will cause the game to crash and burn. But if the devs are willing to let us have more Ishgard content after listening to players repeatedly ask for it, I think its hypocritical to imply that races should be held to a different standard.

By all means if gender locks happen than campaign for them to be unlocked. I'm with everyone in that I'd want both these races to be unlocked. But I'm also a person who would have preferred something more interesting than Viera to be added to the game. So if it's to be genderlocked, so be it if it means we get something more interesting.

[Metsonm]

Howd they know it wasnt in there before?

Possibly keeping an archive of the data to sift through quickly for changes.

[Melichoir]

This seems like a strange addition to add into the game. Consider Aura, they didnt go back and edit in Aura into the class quests lines. Its a weird place to insert lore; most of your player base wont see that tidbit.