Gender locked race?

[Shippuu]

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It's good to see this, however it should be noted that the situation regarding 1.0 into 2.0 was drastically different than the current situation we have. Back then, 1.0 failed so hard it damaged the entire brand, they were in a bad position and were basically correcting every complaint they feasibly could because they needed to garner tremendous favor. This is a strong motivator to do things you might not think is necessary.

Fast forward to today, things are very different. The game is a rousing success and it opens them up to experimenting. Not releasing male viera isn't going to cause the game to abruptly fail, it probably won't even significantly damage shadowbringer sales. This context matters a bit.

[linay]

That is incorrect. Culture entry for Raen in the first Lorebook: 'The Raen have fully assimilated to the cultures of Doma and Hingashi, and live faithfully according to the regions' traditions. Perhaps owing to their heritage and the status they gained in the service of their warlords, they place particular importance on hierarchy and the master-servant relationship.'

It says they're assimilated to the culture. It doesn't say they hang out with them. It just means when you visit them where they live, the culture you'll find won't be dissimilar to Doma/Hingashi.

[Rokke]

It's good to see this, however it should be noted that the situation regarding 1.0 into 2.0 was drastically different than the current situation we have. Back then, 1.0 failed so hard it damaged the entire brand, they were in a bad position and were basically correcting every complaint they feasibly could because they needed to garner tremendous favor. This is a strong motivator to do things you might not think is necessary.

Fast forward to today, things are very different. The game is a rousing success and it opens them up to experimenting. Not releasing male viera isn't going to cause the game to abruptly fail, it probably won't even significantly damage shadowbringer sales. This context matters a bit.

The genders were introduced because players asked for them. Regardless of the status of the game, regardless of experimentation, the feedback was noted and acted on. One of the quotes specifically mentions Yoshi being surprised by the amount of people who wanted a playable Femroe. Today, Femroes are the least popular played race and yet the game is better for having them for those that, for one reason or another, want to be a big muscular chick.

Im not going to imply that gender locked races will cause the game to crash and burn. But if the devs are willing to let us have more Ishgard content after listening to players repeatedly ask for it, I think its hypocritical to imply that races should be held to a different standard.

[Gwenorai]

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Mfw if they're gender locked this is just going to happen. Could have just skipped a bloody step and not gender lock them.

[Rokke]

Mfw if they're gender locked this is just going to happen. Could have just skipped a bloody step and not gender lock them.

131 pages in less than 2 weeks lol

[Iscah]

If Hrothgar are listed ahead of Viera, I have to wonder if they were in the works first and then the endless demand for the Viera made them shift to a split race to fit both in?!

More rationally, if they are split, I'm not surprised if the male race is listed first - it seems consistent with males being the first/default setting for other races on the character creator screen.

Bestial option that's less human looking but still within the realm of plausible as a player race option: Zero

Sounds like some actual diversity there.

I feel like Au Ra *is* that less human but plausible option. They've written themselves into a corner with the focus on "men vs beastmen" in ARR's script. Au Ra are striking and have "monstrous" features while still retaining human faces and overall shape.

Ronso would be pushing (if not over) what I'd assume to be the boundary between the two.

[Melichoir]

If they do gender lock Viera, there will be a backlash of some kind. While its not going to make FFXIV buckle, I do think it will leave a bit of a dent in the game. Gender locked races are, from what Ive ever observed in MMOs, not all that popular a concept with very specific exceptions. I think if they genderlocked Viera, people would be upset enough over it, and you might see a dent in FFXIV sales or subs over it. Again, it wont breka the game, but itll be somethign note worthy where people will say "Hey remember when they gender locked Viera? Yeah, that was stupid."

Broadly, it appears people do want male Viera.

Now Im still under the belief they will introduce them. Theres a sizable player base demand for them, FFXIV isnt beholden to the lore of other FFs so there is no real lore reason not too, YoshiP Im pretty sure has stated hes not a fan of gender locked races himself, the reveal would be a big deal so theres a reason to withhold them, and (this is more speculative) game companies are more likely to tread carefully in regards to their players bases lately due to all the big upsets in the industry as of late. The safer bet would be not having gender locked races, because its reasonable to assume that more people would flip it over Viera being female only vs those who would say "Gawsh, the Lore of older FF games only had female Viera!"

Also now that I think about hrothgar, they might be a dead race. That is, this was somethign they were planning on implementing and possibly canceled on relatively recently due to other limitations or time. We may not get a race beyond Viera, but old code was put into place regarding it.

Grr.

Will the final fanfest just happen already.

[redcurrant18]

Surely they don't ignore threads as big as this one? Maybe after the continuous onslaught of requests for male Viera they got the message that the majority of people are against gender locked races and have been working with that in mind as they built the Hrothgar and Viera.

Also, although we don't really know how the leakers got their info...if they were just playing the game or translating the text of npcs-wouldn't they have come to the conclusion the races were gender locked since, as we have seen with male Moonkeepers, the other genders don't have a large role? If they were playing the game, according to the last fanfest the player models even for female Viera aren't done so I doubt they could actually change into either race, and maybe interacted with placeholders until those get eventually replaced. With nothing else to go off and with text clues in their dialogue reaffirming the way their societies work, I can see why they would read this and think the races are gender locked.

This is all just my speculation though. I have no idea how they actually test the game or do translations before it gets released, but it just has me wondering...

[Gwenorai]

See, if they were part of the translation team; that the info that Blufever was leaking could indeed be tied into this information we have here. This could explain why he updated his information with the new race while before he only said Viera.

The only question I have is that if he was part of the translation team or doing the code, etc. Then he would have seen the name of the race and telling us that name wouldn't have hurt him. Instead, all he knew was that they were lions.

Weird one really, why was Hrothgar before Viera? That's the one that doesn't make sense. A throwback from Stormblood or HW maybe? Why were they made before Viera?

The only reason this makes me frown is that if they were made at the same time then Viera should be the one getting the most attention, not Hrothgar which would have been the 'male' only race. And as people argue, most folk in this game tend to play female more than male. So, wouldn't the female only race get more attention and be created first?

This brings up the idea that Yoshida wasn't even going to bother making the dude Viera and went straight for the 'lion race' gender lock.

[Crushnight]

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love how page 1 has a male keeper miqo'te trying to use lore for why male miqo'te shouldn't be playable shame they appear to stop playing though