Gender locked race?

[jake200135]

As I specifically said 'The only issue with this game is that the story does sort of call for one - and if not then it calls for one heck of a good explanation and amazing story to explain why they're not where they're supposed to be without making it look half-arsed.'

From my experience, if it's easy to write something out just so you don't have to bother having them - it's half-arsed. If they can do an amazing job and come out with an amazing story, a thrilling reason for why there are ZERO Male Viera NPCs during wartime, in their wood. When the males exist to protect the wood and their people. When we, an outsider are going to go into that wood, to help protect the wood and those people; in all most likely circumstances. If they can DO that. I will clap my hands, I will bow down. I will be the biggest whale in existence, I will be the slave to the mog station. I will buy all of the fantasias and become the bara cat.

And if they don't, that's their loss for crap storytelling. I really don't know how many times and in different ways I can say it.

I can't help but agree. I mean, even I admit that none of us know for sure if we will or will not be getting male Viera. Anyone who claims they know for sure is in fact a liar, as we will all need to wait until the final fan fest to have anything confirmed. But if they decide to go with the terrible choice of gender-locking Viera, any lore excuse they come up with to do so will be at best, pathetic or worse, unimaginative.

[Metsonm]

Surely they must realise that adding a new, male-only race will be the worst option. If they just come out and say "No male Viera" then the forums will be awash with people clamouring for them to be added.

If they go "No male Viera...BUT...we are adding a male-only race of Ronso" or whatever it'll be, then the forums will instead be filled with us asking for male viera and female Ronso.

It's just going to be doubling the workload down the line, or enduring twice the shouting from fans than just a pure male viera situation.

[Shippuu]

As I specifically said 'The only issue with this game is that the story does sort of call for one - and if not then it calls for one heck of a good explanation and amazing story to explain why they're not where they're supposed to be without making it look half-arsed.'

Except it really doesn't. No more than any of the games you listed. We know we are going to the greatwood and that's it. Other games have gone to Viera woods and villages and never encountered a male Viera and neither could we if our story takes us there. There could easily be something more pressing that has occupied the male viera elsewhere that we'd never see. There's tons of story hooks they could use to justify us not seeing any despite being in their home. Just because you wouldn't like the result of how it might be written because you're personally invested in male viera doesn't mean it's crap writing lol.

[redcurrant18]

Except it really doesn't. No more than any of the games you listed. We know we are going to the greatwood and that's it. Other games have gone to Viera woods and villages and never encountered a male Viera and neither could we if our story takes us there. There could easily be something more pressing that has occupied the male viera elsewhere that we'd never see. There's tons of story hooks they could use to justify us not seeing any despite being in their home. Just because you wouldn't like the result of how it might be written because you're personally invested in male viera doesn't mean it's crap writing lol.

The other games didn't have both male and female Viera living in the same forest. That's what makes this one unique in that there is probably a central village with females and children, and males roaming around in the far corners of what I'm guessing will be a massive zone. Somewhere in this forest there's also space for the Nu Mou, with a camp for the untempered and the tempered by whatever their primal is. It would have made sense for Titania to be able to transform people into different creatures, but I have no idea what the Nu Mou's primal could possibly be. Morpher Nu Mous exist in tactics, but they only have the power to shapeshift themselves. Seeing as how Viera are obviously based on rabbits though, wouldn't it make sense for a primal with this power to turn them into helpless bunnies instead of cat warriors?

[Gwenorai]

Except it really doesn't. No more than any of the games you listed. We know we are going to the greatwood and that's it. Other games have gone to Viera woods and villages and never encountered a male Viera and neither could we if our story takes us there. There could easily be something more pressing that has occupied the male viera elsewhere that we'd never see. There's tons of story hooks they could use to justify us not seeing any despite being in their home. Just because you wouldn't like the result of how it might be written because you're personally invested in male viera doesn't mean it's crap writing lol.

In FF12, the male didn't need to be seen. The wood wasn't in danger nor was the clan. Any danger that did exist was dealt with by Vaan and co.
FF Tactics; The Viera don't care about the war of the lions; they ignore all Ivalice Government and their efforts to try and get the Viera to be part of their politics is ignored.

It's been a long time since I played tactics, does anyone recall a reason why a male wood warder would show up? Or if a female wood warder stepped in?
Anyway, everything was handled by the Matriarch's who are in direct contact with the wood, which is also in direct contact with every Viera who isn't an outsider to the wood. In the end, they made it easier for the player - there was no need for a confrontation by a male Viera in every instance.

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All Viera that took part in regards to the party were those who were banished from the wood or we're allowed to help due to the Green Word.
Honestly, the GB Advance Lore is all kinds of screwy. Those games, even falsely call them 'female only' only in FF12 and Revenants did they expand on the Viera and give them more lore.

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'There's tons of story hooks they could use to justify us not seeing any despite being in their home' - Oh, you mean like good storytelling like I keep saying? I have said multiple times that if the reason and story are good I would applaud. If you can't be bothered to read what I say and just put your own spin on things then I can't do much for you.

Am I invested in Male Viera, yep. Am I more invested in enjoying Shadow Bringers? Yes. What would disappoint me more, a lame story or no male Viera? Lame story. I preordered shadowbringers without confirmation of Male Viera, lol. I think I know where my investment is.

[Shippuu]

The other games didn't have both male and female Viera living in the same forest. That's what makes this one unique in that there is probably a central village with females and children, and males roaming around in the far corners of what I'm guessing will be a massive zone.

Citation needed. Nothing I'm aware of from past Ivalice games points to them living in a different forest. In 12 there was no implication they lived outside of the Golmore Jungle.

[redcurrant18]

My citation is that in no way, shape, or form, will it ever be believable for there not to be a single male Viera somewhere in the zone when typically this is how big they are making them.




And best believe they'll only get bigger. No male Viera in FF12? Half the jungle is blocked off by magic barriers so of course no one ever saw them. Fran obviously never had any reason to seek them out, so the only place it made sense to go was the female's village.

[Melichoir]

Does it really matter if it doesnt follwo Tactics or 12 Lore?

Why cant there just be Male and female Viera in the game. 14 has some elements of other final fantasy lore but tis not 100% copy pasted lore. Theres no real justification at this point to have Viera be female only and males be off somewhere else, and since Yoshi P doesnt like gender locked races (from what I understood, he put male Miqote into the game for ARR), then theres very little likely hood that itll be a gender locked race. Not to be negative about the thread, but why is this even a speculation at this point when we still have 1 fanfest to go and plenty of plausible reasons within the context of ffxiv why we havent seen a male Viera yet outside of silly assumptions like "Oh its gonna be just female cause other FF games"

[WhiteArchmage]

It's been a long time since I played tactics, does anyone recall a reason why a male wood warder would show up? Or if a female wood warder stepped in?

Viera do not exist in Tactics, they, as every other non-hume race, are extinct by the time of the War of the Lions (in fact, they've been extinct for so long that moogles are only legends). Viera debuted in Tactics Advance where, even if they were female only, the bulk of TA explicitly takes place in a Dream Ivalice only vaguely connected to the main series (St. Ivalice, where the protagonists come from, is a Town, rather than an Area/Kingdom). TA2 may have a bigger leg to stand on as far as "female-only" race since it DOES take place in the real Ivalice (Jylland, technically, but that could just mean that male viera haven't GONE to Jylland).

As an aside, Feol Viera were never in any Tactics title, either, they're exclusive to Revenant Wings.

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Exactly! These are not Ivalice Alliance's Viera randomly sucked in through an interdimensional portal. Yoshi-P and the dev team can place male Viera if they want, they are literally writing the lore. Keepers of the Moon are even rarer than Viera, and you can count Male Keepeers on one hand and have fingers left over IN THE LORE, the race's popularity with the playerbase is another thing entirely (BOTH my manqo'tes are Keepers!)

[Shougun]

Woot!

Enjoy the cringe.

Fine I will then! lol

All I meant about FFT and FFXII not showing male was that if the dev wanted to he probably could have, not that they didn't exist in either of those games. Like he made the Rev.. the rEv!?!1... Lol, he's made loads of weird races in game (with both genders). In that way I think it shows that he wanted to not show male Viera, because he wasn't limited to like one or two races. There wasn't a situation where SE was like "now you can't make more than two races with a full gender", he chose not to.. just for flavor.

Now of course that flavor could easily be to make them seem rare and Matsuno had nothing against Viera, just thought "wouldn't it be neat if players wondered what they looked like, yeah I'm going to make a little mystery" like he did with the Garif (I don't think we get to see the females but we know they exist).

I was just trying to say that there may be some reason that we've not seen them, you know some devs are really really particular in their visions "IF YOU DONT MELT THE ICE WE WONT MOVE ON" - Koji, "MAKE THE BUTT PERFECT OR YOU'RE FIRED" - Nier lol. I'm sure some of that is jokes and such but just saying.. The choice to not include Viera Male I believe was more than just "meh, didn't fit the story" because god the Rev somehow made their way into the story lol. (I am terrified that if it's two races it's going to be a naked cat, rev thing XD - can anyone tell? ).

Err I don't think I'm really disagreeing just clarifying that I mentioned the villages because to me it means, he showed the forest, he showed the village, he had many characters, including a main character who broke the rules, at no point was their a male viera.. at no point at all - it's possible he just doesn't care for it (as in, is in part against the concept). It's also totally possible that while he didn't put them in the game he isn't against them, of course!

Funky wood magic would be alright with me haha. Could always pull an Asari (Mass Effect) too, but at this point they're in the lore so... ... .. where are they and what do they look like are huge questions, aye I agree lol.