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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl0217 View Post
    And when asked about the male Viera he specifically said there was another Fan Fest in Tokyo, which is the kind of thing a developer would say if he had something to show but couldn't show it just yet because he didn't have a stable build of it.

    So pretty much your response to lore that looks like it setting up a possible hostile confrontation between us and the Viera is another "well maybe they all got lured away before we got there...."
    Lol all you do is speculate too, dude. What makes the fact that he said wait for Tokyo mean that he's saying male Viera aren't done yet? Literally nothing. In fact, the question he was answering specifically asked if we should wait for Tokyo and he just was coy and said oh yeah there is a fan fest in Tokyo huh? Like they purposefully avoided mentioning male Viera PERIOD in the fan fest, and have done so since.

    Also just because you read something into the lore that's on the page doesn't make it true. What in the lore specifically states that we will get into a conflict with the Viera? It states they are isolationist by nature but times are changing, that's about it. Like Fran already came to us and helped us get into the Golmore Jungle... didn't see any male Viera there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    Like Fran already came to us and helped us get into the Golmore Jungle... didn't see any male Viera there.
    Fran was the only Viera in the jungle. It is misleading to compare how they handled that small section of the jungle to what will eventually come in Shadowbringers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redcurrant18 View Post
    Fran was the only Viera in the jungle. It is misleading to compare how they handled that small section of the jungle to what will eventually come in Shadowbringers.
    I mean, why would she have been the only Viera in that jungle? Don't Viera live in the Golmore Jungle? How do you know she was the only Viera in that jungle? My point is that just because we are going into a jungle doesn't mean we are 100% getting into conflict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    My point is that just because we are going into a jungle doesn't mean we are 100% getting into conflict.
    Did you miss the part where it was literally on fire in the trailer or
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    Quote Originally Posted by redcurrant18 View Post
    Did you miss the part where it was literally on fire in the trailer or
    Are you saying we are setting fire to their home? That we are helping them defend their home? Do you have absolutely no idea because no one does? Yeah, not sure what point you're trying to make. Maybe just go back to posting pictures of hot bunny boys.

    Edit post limit: Anyone know how many posts you get on here? Hard to respond when you get blocked all the time...
    The trailer shows Ysh' standing there while their home is burning and then we are running around the zone after the fact. We are in their home, apparently? And apparently male Vieras don't stay in the village, so the males could probably stay trigger happy where they are and leave the village to be defended by the equally fierce females. I honestly still don't see the leap between their village is on fire and there being a conflict between bunny boys and the WoL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    Lol all you do is speculate too, dude. What makes the fact that he said wait for Tokyo mean that he's saying male Viera aren't done yet? Literally nothing. In fact, the question he was answering specifically asked if we should wait for Tokyo and he just was coy and said oh yeah there is a fan fest in Tokyo huh? Like they purposefully avoided mentioning male Viera PERIOD in the fan fest, and have done so since.

    Also just because you read something into the lore that's on the page doesn't make it true. What in the lore specifically states that we will get into a conflict with the Viera? It states they are isolationist by nature but times are changing, that's about it. Like Fran already came to us and helped us get into the Golmore Jungle... didn't see any male Viera there.
    I believe Fran states you're being watched by them but you don't see them? Or was that FF12? I don't know, the fact of the matter is they don't attack if a Viera is with the party. The confrontation doesn't come from the lore, it comes from Yoshida specifically telling us that the blaze in the trailer is located in the sacred home of the Viera - he didn't need to share that information. Now it's certainly possible that something may happen where we may gain free passage, and a female Viera will escort us through the wood. And after that, we fully earn the blessing to wander freely without an escort. Of course, this is where the whole - well a confrontation seems likely, no? If they're being attacked then the Viera will respond in kind, their males first. The idea is that if a male Viera doesn't attack us, then we will come across one who is attacking the enemy.

    The other side of this; people think that we won't see a male at all. And that the attack on the wood may not stir the males into action - a retcon of their lore. Or, that the males would simply act unseen in a fight against a shared enemy. Or, that all of the males have simply vanished. Since if there were NPC males then there is likely to be playable males. Without playable males then it's likely there will be no male NPCs. Or there will be male NPCs, and the release of playable male Viera is simply a matter of time due to armour limitations etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    Are you saying we are setting fire to their home? That we are helping them defend their home? Do you have absolutely no idea because no one does? Yeah, not sure what point you're trying to make. Maybe just go back to posting pictures of hot bunny boys.
    And this is simply uncalled for. Obviously, we didn't set fire to their homes, the point they're making is that the males who are known to be trigger happy will be even more aggressive to outsiders during a time of war. Example; Aura's were attacked by Ishgardians because the Ishgardians thought they were draconic - this hate came from the war.

    Regarding the whole; they don't live in the village. Well, that hardly means anything. They don't live in groups, they don't interact with the community; but it doesn't mean they can't live close to the village and/or around it - they simply do not live in the hub. An add on would be Fran's words. 'They are watching us' meaning there's more than one in just that small area watching them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    Lol all you do is speculate too, dude. What makes the fact that he said wait for Tokyo mean that he's saying male Viera aren't done yet? Literally nothing. In fact, the question he was answering specifically asked if we should wait for Tokyo and he just was coy and said oh yeah there is a fan fest in Tokyo huh? Like they purposefully avoided mentioning male Viera PERIOD in the fan fest, and have done so since.

    Also just because you read something into the lore that's on the page doesn't make it true. What in the lore specifically states that we will get into a conflict with the Viera? It states they are isolationist by nature but times are changing, that's about it. Like Fran already came to us and helped us get into the Golmore Jungle... didn't see any male Viera there.
    Yes, I am speculating but unlike Shippuu I am not going around implying everybody else is delusional for advancing a theory different than mine. And if you want to talk about them purposefully avoiding mentioning the male Viera they have also purposely avoided mentioning the Hrothgar before, during and after the Fan Fest as well. So what does that say about them?

    And I think there is just a little bit of a difference between heading into some ruins escorted by Fran, who says the Viera are watching you and would have attacked if not for her, and setting up shop in a Viera village that just got blown to hell like the trailers imply we will be doing, wouldn't you agree?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    Lol all you do is speculate too, dude. What makes the fact that he said wait for Tokyo mean that he's saying male Viera aren't done yet? Literally nothing. In fact, the question he was answering specifically asked if we should wait for Tokyo and he just was coy and said oh yeah there is a fan fest in Tokyo huh? Like they purposefully avoided mentioning male Viera PERIOD in the fan fest, and have done so since.

    Also just because you read something into the lore that's on the page doesn't make it true. What in the lore specifically states that we will get into a conflict with the Viera? It states they are isolationist by nature but times are changing, that's about it. Like Fran already came to us and helped us get into the Golmore Jungle... didn't see any male Viera there.
    We didn't see any other females either. Even then Matsuno's standin makes it sound like Rak'tika, which is supposed to be the home of the ShB Viera, is in the Skatay Range. It's so far away from Rabanastre that everything is still up in the air.
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