Gender locked race?

[KaijinRhada]

I am firmly in the "don't care either way camp" but until today I've been documented saying I think it would be silly not to have male viera just on principle. But now? Nah.

So you're rescinding that comment/support, because of some people that are a bit extreme in their hypothetical dissatisfaction?

I know people have their reasons to want/not want/feel neutral about various content, but I think the worst reason is to deny people out of pure spite. You may feel good about making unreasonable people feel bad, but for those that are being reasonable about the topic, it feels petty. It's like people that want the genderlock, simply because BLU is limited, and they want someone else to suffer too (and I personally know people that have that opinion).

Either way, genderlocks aren't something I agree with, but in the end we still have to wait and see.

[Lacan]

So you're rescinding that comment/support, because of some people that are a bit extreme in their hypothetical dissatisfaction?

I know people have their reasons to want/not want/feel neutral about various content, but I think the worst reason is to deny people out of pure spite. You may feel good about making unreasonable people feel bad, but for those that are being reasonable about the topic, it feels petty.

yea, that is why I said she was being nasty earlier. XD Very uncalled for. I'm not trying to begrudge anyone being excited for whatever hrothgar are just because I want male viera too.

[cicatriz313]

yea, that is why I said she was being nasty earlier. XD Very uncalled for. I'm not trying to begrudge anyone being excited for whatever hrothgar are just because I want male viera too.

Again, having a viewpoint change isn't nasty. Reading through this thread is like an exercise in restraint because everyone is so biased in how they read into things. It's like everyone is super hard-headed and trying to warp things to fit how they see it. It isn't petty to want to side with the dev team's decision over people complaining because they built up an idea in their head and clues keep coming out against it.

[Lacan]

Again, having a viewpoint change isn't nasty. Reading through this thread is like an exercise in restraint because everyone is so biased in how they read into things. It's like everyone is super hard-headed and trying to warp things to fit how they see it. It isn't petty to want to side with the dev team's decision over people complaining because they built up an idea in their head and clues keep coming out against it.

I think wishing for people to not get something they want just because they are strongly opinionated about it is pretty petty, but that's just me. The EU fanfest was very vague about viera when it came to this, and the leaks have only made things more confusing. I don't think it is uncalled for to people to draw their own conclusions about what is going on. Why rain on people's parades?

[cicatriz313]

I think wishing for people to not get something they want just because they are strongly opinionated about it is pretty petty, but that's just me. The EU fanfest was very vague about viera when it came to this, and the leaks have only made things more confusing. I don't think it is uncalled for to people to draw their own conclusions about what is going on. Why rain on people's parades?

Again it's not about getting what you want or not. It's about people basically degrading the dev team because they aren't getting bunny bois that were never promised. EU fanfest wasn't just vague about male Viera, it was 100% absent for a reason. You can believe it was because they're holding it for JP if you want, but imo it doesn't make sense that way. It's not raining on people's parades, it's having a different viewpoint.

[ErysNight]

Again it's not about getting what you want or not. It's about people basically degrading the dev team because they aren't getting bunny bois that were never promised. EU fanfest wasn't just vague about male Viera, it was 100% absent for a reason. You can believe it was because they're holding it for JP if you want, but imo it doesn't make sense that way. It's not raining on people's parades, it's having a different viewpoint.

Exactly, as an advocate for Male Viera earlier it has nothing to do with that. It's the fact that this thread devolved into nothing. Why rain on the dev team's parade when you have no clue how hard it was to even add another race when they've told us time and time again it's hard!

[Lacan]

Again it's not about getting what you want or not. It's about people basically degrading the dev team because they aren't getting bunny bois that were never promised. EU fanfest wasn't just vague about male Viera, it was 100% absent for a reason. You can believe it was because they're holding it for JP if you want, but imo it doesn't make sense that way. It's not raining on people's parades, it's having a different viewpoint.

See, that's just where I disagree. I think as a paying customer to this game, everyone has the right to complain about what the dev team is doing. You may not agree with the approach, but they are very much entitled to that. This forum is for collecting player input, and if that is how they feel they should be allowed to say it.

People are allowed to have different viewpoints, but I think telling someone "I hope you don't get what you want because I don't like how you're talking about the dev team!" is just being petty. Let people want what they want, let people be upset if they don't get the stuff that they want. SE wants all the feedback, not just the kind that is praising their actions.

[ErysNight]

See, that's just where I disagree. I think as a paying customer to this game, everyone has the right to complain about what the dev team is doing. You may not agree with the approach, but they are very much entitled to that. This forum is for collecting player input, and if that is how they feel they should be allowed to say it.

People are allowed to have different viewpoints, but I think telling someone "I hope you don't get what you want because I don't like how you're talking about the dev team!" is just being petty. Let people want what they want, let people be upset if they don't get the stuff that they want. SE wants all the feedback, not just the kind that is praising their actions.

You're conflating various sentiments to try and make a point that "sounds ok" and win brownie points.

Giving constructive criticism is different than whining/tantrums and feedback.

Once again, you didn't read anyone's posts but I've already noted that SE would probably listen to a thread that respectfully petitioned for male vieras and that this whinefest isn't effective, it's just rude.

As a paying customer, you can give feedback. However you are not entitled to the game being in the form that you want it. The only power you have is to stop paying.

Therefore, giving your opinion in a way thats constructive is completely ok. But being terrible to a dev team is not just having "different viewpoints" isn't slandering an entire playerbase and making us NA players look like savages.

I Don't Want To Be Represented By Individuals That Don't Have The Human Decency To Formulate An Argument Without Throwing A Tantrum.

See what I did there? It's ridiculous to make a point while yelling or throwing tantrums. It's also important to read full responces and address them all.

You are trying to blend it all together to make it seem like I only want good comments. When really I am one of the toughest critics to this company. Especially over the state of housing right now. It just doesn't have to be a 160 whine fest that Yoshi will probably see and ignore because it's an ineffective method of inspiring change.

[ErysNight]

So you're rescinding that comment/support, because of some people that are a bit extreme in their hypothetical dissatisfaction?

I know people have their reasons to want/not want/feel neutral about various content, but I think the worst reason is to deny people out of pure spite. You may feel good about making unreasonable people feel bad, but for those that are being reasonable about the topic, it feels petty. It's like people that want the genderlock, simply because BLU is limited, and they want someone else to suffer too (and I personally know people that have that opinion).

Either way, genderlocks aren't something I agree with, but in the end we still have to wait and see.

I 100% agree with you. I am definitely changing my position. I was in this thread earlier and sympathetic with people that wanted male viera when everyone was being reasonable and not slandering a dev team that does their best for us. I am disgusted by some of the things I've seen on the NA official forums after Yoshi told us he gets a feed of the top threads in the forums and reads them. I am ashamed that he might consider this our playerbase when it's a vocal minority every single time.

If it's petty behavior then I own it.
See case in point below

yea, that is why I said she was being nasty earlier. XD Very uncalled for. I'm not trying to begrudge anyone being excited for whatever hrothgar are just because I want male viera too.

When you try to say hey "take a step outside your perspective and consider a broader view" and people just ignore what they want and pick and choose what to respond to when being uniformed with how game development works? It's incredibly disheartening. So now I'm just saving this post and will be back to laugh in a month.

If you can't beat em, join em.

[KaijinRhada]

I 100% agree with you. I am definitely changing my position. I was in this thread earlier and sympathetic with people that wanted male viera when everyone was being reasonable and not slandering a dev team that does their best for us. I am disgusted by some of the things I've seen on the NA official forums after Yoshi told us he gets a feed of the top threads in the forums and reads them. I am ashamed that he might consider this our playerbase when it's a vocal minority every single time.

If it's petty behavior then I own it.

That mentality is something I have to disagree with. Wishing the exclusion of a choice by principle and by virtue of disliking the extreme positions that people hold (or the people themselves) makes no one happy. Certainly I think some people are acting out of hand in their anticipatory anger, but I'm not going to say "hey, you're being childish, so you shouldn't have this ever, and we may as well punish the reasonable people too, since they're only collateral damage!"

The demographics that want any given feature shouldn't be defined by a few people that metaphorically are flipping tables, and are much broader than that. The better way of dealing with this is by having and promoting respectful conversation and debate, despite things getting heated.