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    Kahnom's Avatar
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    Arlizz Teirez
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    I was thinking about changing to Viera but if they don’t add the male Viera,I’d probably won’t change.
    All races must be equal,that’s what I believe.
    So if male chatacter can’t change then I shouldn’t either.It’s not fair to them.
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    An additional point for people worth keeping in mind on all of this.

    We (Japan's international crowd) are not the primary market for this game. The Japanese players are. Most of the sales are going to come from SE's domestic audience on this game. As customer's we're a great "and also", SE does things to acknowledge us too like having a very clearly Western hyur midlander in ads. But the reactions that are going to be important and the base devs are catering to = the Japanese audience.

    They're not going to make their biggest business and creative decisions around the reactions of Western players, with our tendencies to freak out and lack of patience. They're going to do it around the Japanese players who make up the majority of sales and who are usually on the same page as them. It makes some sense that if they have an exciting new surprise, like male Viera, they'll want to unveil that to their main audience directly.

    A lot of people are talking about how the devs aren't thinking of them and their specific reactions. Didn't they consider the Western lodestone thread???

    But the thing is, that requires forgetting that anything we do--the Japanese servers are bigger, more active, and more important in this context. We are the minority here. I don't speak Japanese, but did see at least one comment attesting that Japanese players are asking about male Viera too.

    So again. Perspective. World doesn't revolve around us. It makes a lot of sense that they're saving special announcements and huge new content for Japan. The reveal of female Viera internationally is a way of giving their international fans a gift. Their big surprise they're likely saving for Japan since that's their main crowd and they want to "save the best for last".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaywalker View Post
    An additional point for people worth keeping in mind on all of this.

    We (Japan's international crowd) are not the primary market for this game. The Japanese players are. Most of the sales are going to come from SE's domestic audience on this game. As customer's we're a great "and also", SE does things to acknowledge us too like having a very clearly Western hyur midlander in ads. But the reactions that are going to be important and the base devs are catering to = the Japanese audience.

    They're not going to make their biggest business and creative decisions around the reactions of Western players, with our tendencies to freak out and lack of patience. They're going to do it around the Japanese players who make up the majority of sales and who are usually on the same page as them. It makes some sense that if they have an exciting new surprise, like male Viera, they'll want to unveil that to their main audience directly.

    A lot of people are talking about how the devs aren't thinking of them and their specific reactions. Didn't they consider the Western lodestone thread???

    But the thing is, that requires forgetting that anything we do--the Japanese servers are bigger, more active, and more important in this context. We are the minority here. I don't speak Japanese, but did see at least one comment attesting that Japanese players are asking about male Viera too.

    So again. Perspective. World doesn't revolve around us. It makes a lot of sense that they're saving special announcements and huge new content for Japan. The reveal of female Viera internationally is a way of giving their international fans a gift. Their big surprise they're likely saving for Japan since that's their main crowd and they want to "save the best for last".
    I can't speak for the rest of this seeing as I don't pay attention to the Non-NA side of things but the last part is what I've been saying on other threads about this.

    I don't understand why people don't understand why they would save this for Japan.
    They are a Japanese company making a Japanese game and the final event is going to be held in Japan ... they're gonna want to save the BIGGEST stuff for that event.

    I mean, with all they have shown they really haven't shown much. We still haven't seen the Viera wear non-race gear so we don't know how they're gonna tackle head or foot wear. They talked about having to change something about the process to make it work iirc. Gunbreaker ... we have only seen like 4 moves and barely any info on how it works other than slashing dmg and ammo? I can go on and on, they have a ton of stuff they can spring on us at the next fest so why wouldn't the very first male bunnies be saved for the likely biggest event being held in their native land?

    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    i wouldn't call those amazonian
    I would.
    They look to have a great mixture of poses that depict a range from graceful to confidant to thoughtful.
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    Last edited by reivaxe; 02-03-2019 at 08:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaywalker View Post
    The reveal of female Viera internationally is a way of giving their international fans a gift. Their big surprise they're likely saving for Japan since that's their main crowd and they want to "save the best for last".
    This is what I'm thinking too. Male Viera have never been seen in any shape or form before, so they're saving this huge announcement for the final Fanfest.
    Also that and maybe the fact that men just aren't finished at all.

    From the footage we've seen, the female models don't look quite complete yet. We haven't seen the full range of faces or ear types yet. Hell not even many animations and from some of the ones we've seen they look suspiciously similar to ones from other races.

    This in particular looks like a flipped Au Ra idle stance.

    They probably were trying to meet a deadline since preorders were opening up soon and Viera would sell like hotcakes by just existing.
    I bet we're going to get a more in-depth look at them at the Tokyo Fanfest along with the male Viera reveal.

    Also I highly doubt they'd want to gender-lock a race knowing they'd lose out on Fantasia money.
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    Last edited by Corue; 02-03-2019 at 09:23 PM.

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    So much B's. The Japanese side is not happy as well. What more the biggest player base is the USA the it's Japan and the EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamsaraLotusx View Post
    So much B's. The Japanese side is not happy as well. What more the biggest player base is the USA the it's Japan and the EU.
    This...weirdly makes me happy to hear lol. Assuming we don't get males, maybe enough people in all markets will make noise that would force Square to add them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stormygabe View Post
    This...weirdly makes me happy to hear lol. Assuming we don't get males, maybe enough people in all markets will make noise that would force Square to add them.
    i mean there will be a male alternative
    whether its viera or something new like ronso who knows
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    Duskane You think like this based on what?
    And give 2 limited thing make it even more bad. What if u want to be make bunny? Or female what ever the make only race be.
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    Last edited by SamsaraLotusx; 02-03-2019 at 10:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormygabe View Post
    This...weirdly makes me happy to hear lol. Assuming we don't get males, maybe enough people in all markets will make noise that would force Square to add them.
    Yeah I don't understand why'd they even do this. If there's no male Viera they're going to get flooded with requests to add them until the servers shut down.
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    So... aren't the Lupins a lion type race or are they more dogs? Maybe male Viera are more lion like and less bunnies but are still considered Viera? Meaning they have smaller ears, more pronounced canines and maybe a mane that connects to their hair?
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