Gender locked race?

[Kailea_Nagisa]

But for someone playing since the 2.0 beta this game has been apart of their life for a long time. Media affects us all, if it didn't people wouldn't name their children after characters from books, movies, games etc.

To say its "just a game" is not helpful in anyway to the conversation being had! If it was 'just a game" people should have just been happy with 1.0 cus hey "its just a game" its never just a game its the context and culture surrounding the game, the people who made it, the corporations who fund it, the community that plays its. Its the same for all forms of media! I could say movies like The Godfather" was just a movie calm down people "Titanic is just a movie" "Harry Potter is just a movie" "The Avengers is just a movie" no that's reductionist and ignores everything surrounding the thing in question!

I was in alpha of 1.0 been playing longer then anyone for the most part, your point?

[Kailea_Nagisa]

But for someone playing since the 2.0 beta this game has been apart of their life for a long time. Media affects us all, if it didn't people wouldn't name their children after characters from books, movies, games etc.

To say its "just a game" is not helpful in anyway to the conversation being had! If it was 'just a game" people should have just been happy with 1.0 cus hey "its just a game" its never just a game its the context and culture surrounding the game, the people who made it, the corporations who fund it, the community that plays its. Its the same for all forms of media! I could say movies like The Godfather" was just a movie calm down people "Titanic is just a movie" "Harry Potter is just a movie" "The Avengers is just a movie" no that's reductionist and ignores everything surrounding the thing in question!

There is so much to enjoy here with the new expansion, new areas, story, characters, gear, jobs, interactions with other players. But no, lets harp on ONE thing you dont like to the point of sounding like a child throwing a fit because they didnot get the color toy they wanted.

Not everything needs to be inclusive, not everything needs to have everything someone wants, not everything is for everyone.

[Lauront]

You can call it 'sexist' till you go blue in the face. It's just a preference, in the end. Do I like the style of the Hrothgar or the lock? No, but throwing little "ism" barbs at the devs isn't going to make them change their minds. In fact, it may redouble their conviction.

lore can NEVER be a reason to limit gameplay, it's suppposed to be to expand on it.

I don't agree with how they're using it here, but that's emphatically untrue.

[craybest]

You can call it 'sexist' till you go blue in the face. It's just a preference, in the end. Do I like the style of the Hrothgar or the lock? No, but throwing little "ism" barbs at the devs isn't going to make them change their minds. In fact, it may redouble their conviction.


I don't agree with how they're using it here, but that's emphatically untrue.

sexism is defined as: prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.
to say that females should look sexy and males should look powerful IS a stereotype based on gender, so it is sexism, simple as that.

[Theodric]

The gender lock is definitely disappointing. With that said, I'd be equally disappointed if Viera men were added to look like some of the more vocal posters were suggesting earlier on in the thread. I'm not particularly interested in the feminine/androgynous male aesthetic and I don't believe it's something that the game is lacking as most of those posting about such things have designed their current characters to conform to such aesthetics in the first place.

I was much more interested in seeing Viera men turn out to be classically handsome, fairly well-built but also a little fierce and haughty looking. Obviously that didn't happen, so I'm disappointed. Yet I'm not sure why it's being pushed as 'worse' for those wanting androgynous/feminine men to be disappointed when that crowd is far from alone in having been rubbed the wrong way.

The core issue is the the gender lock.

[Jamein]

The comments about the developers being sexist or homophobic are laughable.
You can have same sex marriages, and you can also be a male lalafell running around in a skimpy bunny butler outfit.

I'm pretty sure the LGBT community has better things to fight for than complain about a fantasy race in a fantasy game and turn a simple design and lore aesthetic into some sort of human rights violation.
As for this 'OMG THEY WANT ALL MALES TO BE BEEFY' sorry but Hyur and Elezen and miquote aren't 'beefy' at all then have regular/slender body types.

If Yoshi straight up denied any new races, and said you were getting none, no one would be having a cry about how sexist and homophobic this game is, you'd just be sad you're not getting a new race, but because the new races aren't want you personally want, then you come brigading on the official forums and kicking and screaming like children.

Feel free to unsub if you feel this minor cosmetic issue takes the fun out of the game for you. Otherwise, just enjoy the expansion.
Don't get me wrong, I think there are 100s of reason to unsub from this game, the stale formula that hasn't changed since ARR, the weekly caps that hinder progression even when you can cap in a day, the repetitive nature of the gameplay, the slow GCD...but not the oh my god I can't design my character to my exact specifications.

Grow up.

[KittenMittens]

Lore as an excuse is nothing short of a flimsy excuse when the WoL is an outlier in so many ways beyond this. If the developers really want to throw that as the reason we cannot have these genders, then why can we play Keepers of the Moon Miqo'te, Duskwight Elezen, and even Raen Au Ra? Why are there multiple jobs that are written in the lore stating as there only being one such as Dragoon, White Mage, and Scholar? The developer is only lying to us and using lore as the excuse when they have been known to bend and allow for things such as this time and again.

[Lacan]

Lore as an excuse is nothing short of a flimsy excuse when the WoL is an outlier in so many ways beyond this. If the developers really want to throw that as the reason we cannot have these genders, then why can we play Keepers of the Moon Miqo'te, Duskwight Elezen, and even Raen Au Ra? Why are there multiple jobs that are written in the lore stating as there only being one such as Dragoon, White Mage, and Scholar? The developer is only lying to us and using lore as the excuse when they have been known to bend and allow for things such as this time and again.

yea, the lore excuse is real BS. The lore reason we couldn't play as male mithra in 11 is pretty much exactly the same as the lore behind miqote in XIV. Yet Yoshi wasn't bothered by that and still made male miqote playable. It is weird for Yoshi to suddenly be so concerned with what is logical based on the lore when it never stopped him before. Smells like lies to me. :v

[Daralii]

yea, the lore excuse is real BS. The lore reason we couldn't play as male mithra in 11 is pretty much exactly the same as the lore behind miqote in XIV. Yet Yoshi wasn't bothered by that and still made male miqote playable. It is weird for Yoshi to suddenly be so concerned with what is logical based on the lore when it never stopped him before. Smells like lies to me. :v

From a 2013 interview:


It's his preference. Maybe if you campaign hard enough and get him fired, you'll get your bishounen rabbits.

[Lacan]

From a 2013 interview:


It's his preference. Maybe if you campaign hard enough and get him fired, you'll get your bishounen rabbits.

Don't want him fired, that's just silly. I do think getting him to see that his preferences aren't the same as the playerbase's preferences is possible though.