Gender locked race?

[Theodric]

Lalafell fit the aesthetics you seem to desire. They can be designed to be very short and androgynous looking and fit the 'underdog' concept very well.

[artyport]

Lalafell fit the aesthetics you seem to desire. They can be designed to be very short and androgynous looking and fit the 'underdog' concept very well.

"eyeroll"
you are a troll. lol

[Theodric]

"eyeroll"
you are a troll. lol

No, I'm not. You're specifically requesting a child-like aesthetic and such a thing already exists in-game. You're also repeatedly claiming that we can't have another 'bara' race because they already exist. Surely the same argument can be made for the aesthetics that you desire?

I'd also point out that many of the recent biggest releases outside of Japan have embraced masculine aesthetics to a significant degree. Aside from FFXIV doing just that outside of Othard/Hingashi, there's:

- Dragon Quest XI
- Monster Hunter World
- Resident Evil 2 Remake
- Devil May Cry 5
- Soul Calibur 6

Of those, two even had a crossover with a Western game. Geralt of Rivia showed up in Monster Hunter World and Soul Calibur 6. A number of upcoming Japanese titles are also set to follow a similar pattern. So it's a myth that there's very little appetite for such things over in Japan. They're not niche titles, either.

[artyport]

No, I'm not. You're specifically requesting a child-like aesthetic and such a thing already exists in-game. You're also repeatedly claiming that we can't have another 'bara' race because they already exist. Surely the same argument can be made for the aesthetics that you desire?

I'd also point out that many of the recent biggest releases outside of Japan have embraced masculine aesthetics to a significant degree. Aside from FFXIV doing just that outside of Othard/Hingashi, there's:

- Dragon Quest XI
- Monster Hunter World
- Resident Evil 2 Remake
- Devil May Cry 5
- Soul Calibur 6

Of those, two even had a crossover with a Western game. Geralt of Rivia showed up in Monster Hunter World and Soul Calibur 6. A number of upcoming Japanese titles are also set to follow a similar pattern. So it's a myth that there's very little appetite for such things over in Japan. They're not niche titles, either.

This is why you are going to be stuck with the title of TROLL for me.
I never asked for a child like aesthetic I asked for a young hero look.
LALAfell look like fat babies.. and by no means make sense for anything or anything I requested.
I just want to look like alphy. His body type does not exist in the game.

Also friday is on its way and we will see what happens.. either way I will play this game.. Cuz i do love my miqo.
see ya on friday troll.
T

[WhiteArchmage]

I'd also point out that many of the recent biggest releases outside of Japan have embraced masculine aesthetics to a significant degree. Aside from FFXIV doing just that outside of Othard/Hingashi, there's:

- Dragon Quest XI
- Monster Hunter World
- Resident Evil 2 Remake
- Devil May Cry 5
- Soul Calibur 6

Of those, two even had a crossover with a Western game. Geralt of Rivia showed up in Monster Hunter World and Soul Calibur 6. A number of upcoming Japanese titles are also set to follow a similar pattern. So it's a myth that there's very little appetite for such things over in Japan. They're not niche titles, either.

Yeah, uhm... DQXI has a bishonen protagonist, Erik can also qualify as bisonen, not to mention Sylvando is particularily feminine, and those are 3 of 4 playable males. RE2 prettyfied Leon, reviews of DMC5 have explicitly used the word "twinks" to refer to the main characters. SC6 keeps Siegfried of the flowing locks, Mitsurugi, and Maxi, but removed THE bara daddy of the series, Rock (at least his body hair is still in CC). So, I wouldn't say "embraced masculitnity", in fact, in most of those games, the masculinity was always there: RE (Chris, since forever), MH (male hunters since, again, forever), DMC, SC (Rock, Mitsurugi, Algol...).

I mean, I'd rather male Viera were tall and decently built, but c'mon, man, you are deliberately stirring the pot :P

[Theodric]

Yeah, uhm... DQXI has a bishonen protagonist, Erik can also qualify as bisonen, not to mention Sylvando is particularily feminine, and those are 3 of 4 playable males. RE2 prettyfied Leon, reviews of DMC5 have explicitly used the word "twinks" to refer to the main characters. SC6 keeps Siegfried of the flowing locks, Mitsurugi, and Maxi, but removed THE bara daddy of the series, Rock (at least his body hair is still in CC). So, I wouldn't say "embraced masculitnity", in fact, in most of those games, the masculinity was always there: RE (Chris, since forever), MH (male hunters since, again, forever), DMC, SC (Rock, Mitsurugi, Algol...).

I mean, I'd rather male Viera were tall and decently built, but c'mon, man, you are deliberately stirring the pot :P

They're all distinctly male though. Ranging from 'classically handsome' to 'ruggedly handsome'. Very few characters are outright androgynous or feminine to the degree that some are requesting within this thread and painting as much more common than they actually are. Masculinity is a broad spectrum and need not be fixed on the 'bara' side of the spectrum.

Idk about that tons of people have requested young elezen

Tons? Some, sure. Though of those, a few appear to have dubious motives. Not in your case, since you've already clarified that you dig the 'young hero' aesthetic which is different.

[CoolDad]

No, I'm not. You're specifically requesting a child-like aesthetic and such a thing already exists in-game. You're also repeatedly claiming that we can't have another 'bara' race because they already exist. Surely the same argument can be made for the aesthetics that you desire?

It's pretty clear to me that they're just asking for slender/boyish aka what you see as the lead in nearly every JRPG and anime today. What you're telling them they actually want to play as is a tiny race of potato people, which this is not.
Body type they're asking for:

Body type you're telling them is close:


It's fine if you don't like or want that but it's not something that already exists in this game.

I think SE will just do whatever they please and lore and all that don't matter a lick in this game. They wanted more petite, cute girls so they made female Au Ra into that in spite of any lore reason. They wanted more tall edgy dudes so they made male Au Ra into that. They will do the same thing again if they want to.

That said, people can want something different regardless and I don't think they need to scan the lore to justify themselves. The only female races that look like THEY could use half the weapons in this game are femroes and maybe elezen but like, who cares? We've still got little lalafells out there guarding Limsa and female miqo'te acting as the protectors and hunters in their tribes. It's clear little in this game is modelled with 100% practicality and deep lore reasons in mind. If someone is a petite dude in real life and wants to play one in a game too why do they have to feel ashamed of that? And they're certainly not the first one in this thread to say the same thing.

[Also only like, the first half of this post was directed at the quote. The rest is a general response to the last ~5 pages of this thread.]

[Shougun]

So I suppose the idea I should say is "less bulky" since it seems the idea of a more gender-neutral body shape is so vehemently shot down at any sort of opportunity.

I think the issue people have to keep in mind is this is not just what they think is okay to exist but what they want to probably play as. So there are a few voices coming from just one person depending on how you approach the subject.

I don't mind if there were very feminine males, but I also want a more masculine Ronso like race (I'd take literally Ronso to be honest). Or if no Hrothgar I might be interested in a masculine lion-rabbit, but I wouldn't want to play a neutral/feminine male character. So if we have to fight over limited resources it might sound like "down with the idea of X" but it's more like "I want to see this instead".

At least personally :3.

I imagine if there are male Viera it's going to be that concept art from SE we've seen a bunch, or nearly like it (lean and muscular, like a gymnast body but taller lol).

Lalafell fit the aesthetics you seem to desire. They can be designed to be very short and androgynous looking and fit the 'underdog' concept very well.

haha XD.

[cicatriz313]

I think this entire thread is just people trying to use what they think they know to validate their hopes in getting what they want. If you think male Viera could be androgenous and still live in the forest and shoot bows and all that, more power to you.

[Lauront]

There is no actual lore saying LALA need magical weapons or equipment to weild greataxes.
ALSO VIERA are an old race that lives long. Why wouldnt they have access to magical equipment as well.

My only point is using the the setting of where they come from to describe their physical appearance is silly.
If that were the case FEMALE Miqote would be much larger like female lions but they are not. THEY CUTE.

Xalea women are warriors of the steepe... but they are often cute.

IN ANIME and IN Final Fantasy your visual appearance dont really matter when it comes to physical prowess

I feel you’re not grasping my point.

1) you specifically mentioned a high ranking Flames officer performing heroics.

2) I am not saying that to wield a heavier weapon that a lalafell or any of the smaller females must have magic augmentation. After all, the weapons are adjusted to their size. What I am saying is that you cannot discount the role magical gear and materia plays with the heroes. These are used specifically to augment the wielder.

3) The divergent physical and mental evolution of the races is a fact and ties into traits they found advantageous and attractive in their environments. You cannot simply discount these because it’s fantasy - that is awfully poor writing, and SE have never done this. You are taking exceptions and trying to present them as violations of this point when there are better alternative explanations to hand.