Gender locked race?

[artyport]

I disagree. Many of the male characters can easily be described as 'masculine'. It's a broad spectrum, ranging from classically handsome to ruggedly handsome. Squall and Seifer are great examples of the former aesthetic and Basch, Gladio and Jecht are good examples of the latter. Sure, there's characters such as Kuja that are either feminine or androgynous but they're not exactly the default aesthetic.

the default aesthetic for Final fantasy is pretty boy.. or cute boy.
Just as in most anime which Final Fantasy heavily draws its visuals from.
Sure there might be masculine options.. but most of these characters are thin to lithe and very few are actually buff or rugged.
most final fantasy characters would fall under midlander

and PS you can make all those characters in game right now.

I get it masculine men in might be the majority here in the west so you feel the game should appeal to you more. However even if masculine japanese, men are culturally not always aiming to be RUGGED!

[Theodric]

and PS you can make all those characters in game right now.

Just as you can already make feminine and androgynous looking men.

[artyport]

Just as you can already make feminine and androgynous looking men.

TRUST ME! I KNOW I CAN.
BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BODY Types that are not available in game.. and slim/skinny men are not present at all.. as opposed to the fact that we have 3 large males bodies. 2 medium bodies. 1 tall and slim and awkward bodies. You are asking for a body type that is already present. I am asking for one that is not.

[Lauront]

Final fantasy hasn’t ever been a extremely masculine franchise by western standards
And just because a game does not conform to your western view of masculinity doesn’t mean there isn’t option for you.

I mean there's biological bases to sex differences beyond a "western view of masculinity". Of course, they need not work the same way in fantasy races as they do in humans, but SE have provided zero lore to expect reverse dimorphism for Viera.

However when it comes to physical bodies you have more options for masculine men even if the proportions are not exactly to your liking.

There are three larger built options, three slender ones and 1 tiny one.

Given to how viera as a whole are described in lore they could still be very feminine as the women of the race are very beautiful and are no weaklings on the battlefield. There is little logic in fantasy

Actually, most settings make an attempt to be internally consistent and provide explanations for why things as they are in them, so there is actually a fair bit of "logic" in it. However, it's not the word "beautiful" that keeps coming up for Viera males, but "soft" and "cute".

[artyport]

I mean there's biological bases to sex differences beyond a "western view of masculinity". Of course, they need not work the same way in fantasy races as they do in humans, but SE have provided zero lore to expect reverse dimorphism for Viera.



There are three larger built options, three slender ones and 1 tiny one.



Actually, most settings make an attempt to be internally consistent and provide explanations for why things as they are in them, so there is actually a fair bit of "logic" in it. However, it's not the word "beautiful" that keeps coming up for Viera males, but "soft" and "cute".

Midlander have neutral body types.. wouldn't call them slender. Miqote are short but actually kinda buff. Elezen are are actually slim but have awkward porportions. I always forget about lala as i would never play those things.
What we are looking for here are slim body types like alphy.

You are right fantasy does use a internal system that makes sense for their lore.. however in FINAL FANTASY PIPIN can weild a greatsword into battle and win. If that is the case I can be a cute/beautiful/handsome thin viera and still be a protector of the forest.

and while there are biological sex differences the view of how masculinity plays out is different culturally and changes through time.

[Gwenorai]

Midlander have neutral body types.. wouldn't call them slender. Miqote are short but actually kinda buff. Elezen are are actually slim but have awkward porportions. I always forget about lala as i would never play those things.
What we are looking for here are slim body types like alphy.

You are right fantasy does use a internal system that makes sense for their lore.. however in FINAL FANTASY PIPIN can weild a greatsword into battle and win. If that is the case I can be a cute/beautiful/handsome thin viera and still be a protector of the forest.

and while there are biological sex differences the view of how masculinity plays out is different culturally and changes through time.

i mean, how skinny do you want them? With how the Viera males are being portrayed if you're looking for something that's 'skinnier' than a elezen then doubtful. If you mean something like 'Omega M' which to me didn't look skinny at all, he seems rather 'toned' - but you can have a muscular/lithe toned individual.

Do you want something like WoL 'moebius' 'lithe' - which is similar to male hyur - or are we skirting towards the dangerously slim? Which is possible, but I imagine the male Viera would have a vast 'muscular scale' due to how the lore has them.

[artyport]

i mean, how skinny do you want them? With how the Viera males are being portrayed if you're looking for something that's 'skinnier' than a elezen then doubtful. If you mean something like 'Omega M' which to me didn't look skinny at all, he seems rather 'toned' - but you can have a muscular/lithe toned individual.

Do you want something like WoL 'moebius' 'lithe' - which is similar to male hyur - or are we skirting towards the dangerously slim? Which is possible, but I imagine the male Viera would have a vast 'muscular scale' due to how the lore has them.

First of all he cute.

Personally I would like alphies body type but a little taller and cute faces that are more young adult.
however i would be ok with a more lithe yet strong body as well.. but with smaller arms.
I tend to enjoy playing the underdog type character who doesn't look like they will win but overcome it.. Just not lala.

Ok. YOU RIGHT ABOUT THE ARCHERS lol.

[Lauront]

Right, well they're unlikely to be any thinner than midlanders or elezen and certainly nowhere near as thin as Alphinaud. Comparing someone like Pipin, who no doubt has access to all sorts of magical equipment, to a race which evolved in a given environment and subject to (tens of?) thousands of years of evolutionary pressures where they may not have had access to such methods of artificially augmenting their strength is a fool's errand. Not that SE would not be able to explain why such pressures led to that, but they've done nothing to do that, and seem downright opposed to the notion.

[artyport]

you saying pipin has access to magical equipment is head cannon and bad head cannon at that.
There are tons of LALA who can weild all manor of heavy weaponry and win in battle.

Again..
Also it is said that they are incredible archers. which takes much less strength than wielding a great sword.
Also to navigate a jungle and live among the trees would lean towards a more thin frame.

[SomeRandomHuman]

you saying pipin has access to magical equipment is head cannon and bad head cannon at that.
There are tons of LALA who can weild all manor of heavy weaponry and win in battle.

Again..
Also it is said that they are incredible archers. which takes much less strength than wielding a great sword.
Also to navigate a jungle and live among the trees would lean towards a more thin frame.

I hate having to contradict you but knocking a bow takes considerable strength depending on the draw weight ;w;