Gender locked race?

[Lacan]

Dear gods, I went to sleep and this got almost 20 pages? Sweet Iesu...

So, in general: A furry is not "slap some animal ears and tail in this otherwise completely human character," that's a kemonomimi. A furry is an animal head (usually with human hair, female lion furries tend to have hair, for example), but a humanoid body. Say, a furry giraffe still has a long neck and giraffe head, but human looking body with giraffe tail.

Miqo'te have cat ears and tails but otherwise no fur on their bodies (just strip yours); Viera have bunny ears, but no tails or fur elsewhere (the feet are a nice bestial touch, though); Au Ra have horns that act as ears, tails, and some scales but are otherwise human. Now, Ronsos have lion heads and extra fur in chest, legs, hands, shoulders and back: they're furries.

Now, even IF the male viera get killed off (every. single. one) in the opening of Shadowbringers... it DOESN'T mean we couldn't be one! We can create a character from level one way before that happens, much like how Ishgardians don't even blink if we're an Au Ra, or Yugiri still feels the need to conceal her face while staring directly at us. Even IF they're so rare, even IF males don't leave the forest, we can still be one that DID because the WoL is always an outsider that doesn't really belong to anywhere; unless you yourself give them a backstory, they're not Ishgardian, or Gridanian, or Limsan, or Garlean, or Doman, or anything and the MSQ will never treat you like one. Or like how there can be two WHMs in a party, or 6 in an alliance, yet there's only ONE non-padjali WHM, or one non-tonberry-SCH. Other PCs simply don't exist as anything other than "random adventurers" for the MSQ.

If Yoshi-P said: "No bunny men, because they're weird" then that's a whole other problem which I'm sure has been mentioned several times over this thread, especially the fact that if they think "Oh, bunny boys are just going to be small and delicate" they had all the resources to not make them as such.

Also: that Viera fanart? Yeah, I'd love if my Viera guy looked like THAT <.<

You explained it better than I could! Thank you!

[Alesone]

I'm not following your logic. So because we're meeting them they have to be genderlocked to save assets so they can undo the genderlock later? Why not just make them unlocked in the first place? Why stretch yourself thin to make two races?

Thats pretty much exactly it. Why not make them both unlocked from the get go? Because it's a tremendous amount of assets to make two full blown races. By temporarily splitting them by gender you can cover twice the potential story possibilities at half the work (up front). It's about making it so Hrothgar can have a presence in the story or area they come from, while also doing the same for Viera. It also let's them essentially get manufactured "brownie points" if they go back and undo the locks later (even tho they created the issue in the first place). There would still be people who would sing their praises "they unlocked viera! They listened!" Etc.

Now the reason i don't agree with showing us only half of a race and then going to their home resides with Viera specifically male Viera will be defending their forest(if alive) from outsiders which we will be there is a good chance we would at least feel the presence of a male long before we see a female within the forest within the msq heck we should be attacked by a male before seeing a female, so if male Viera are alive then there would be at least a single male model ready to use which then begs the question why aren't they playable?.

I don't know, there's lots of ways they can write around that issue but I don't think you'd find any of them acceptable. We could not encounter any male viera in their woods for a variety of reasons, but there's also ways we can encounter them without us seeing them. The in game lore already states they work from the shadows, so we can certainly be attacked by them without ever seeing them, mysterious arrows barraging onto us as we have to run for cover. A hidden voice warning us to turn back etc.

These types of things would only add to their mysterious nature but would understandably frustrate the people who want male viera. Nevertheless they're entirely plausible scenarios in the event of genderlocks and no male viera assets being created.

[cicatriz313]

It's to be expected at this point. Quite a few people are getting rather nasty in regards to their arguments.

Lol it's fine though. They'll call for civility a few posts afterwards.

[SomeRandomHuman]

As long as its not a tall and muscular male I'll be happy. I don't understand why people think we need another bara-esque male. Highlander, Au'ra, and Roegadyn cover the 3 common forms of bara. Even then a Midlander with max muscle slider can look super ripped.

Ideally we need an average to short male that's all soft and feminine. Currently Midlander males at 0 muscle slider with the baby face is the closest we have and that just looks fat for the most part. Lalafells are basically glorified chibis. Miqo'te have a decent amount of musculature to them, and Elezen… we've all noticed the odd proportions on them.

[Lauront]

As long as its not a tall and muscular male I'll be happy. I don't understand why people think we need another bara-esque male. Highlander, Au'ra, and Roegadyn cover the 3 common forms of bara. Even then a Midlander with max muscle slider can look super ripped.

Ideally we need an average to short male that's all soft and feminine. Currently Midlander males at 0 muscle slider with the baby face is the closest we have and that just looks fat for the most part. Lalafells are basically glorified chibis. Miqo'te have a decent amount of musculature to them, and Elezen… we've all noticed the odd proportions on them.

I mean even if they don't add Hrothgar (who are a big ??? right now), it doesn't mean they will add male Viera on terms Yoshi-P explicitly does not want to. Whilst I understand that there is some demand for soft, feminine males, projecting this onto Viera, in spite of developer reservations about it, in spite of the concept art designed to overcome these objections and in spite of their lore, is likely to be a dead end. You would be better off asking for more customisation options for midlander men. Also, there's faces besides the baby face which can be given a feminine vibe on midlanders. Yes, the derplander face, the old one and the sharp featured one are quite masculine in nature, but there's two others you can use for softer features.

[Theodric]

? i haven't been inflammatory in any of my responses though.

It was more of a general statement directed at multiple posters.

As long as its not a tall and muscular male I'll be happy. I don't understand why people think we need another bara-esque male. Highlander, Au'ra, and Roegadyn cover the 3 common forms of bara. Even then a Midlander with max muscle slider can look super ripped.

Ideally we need an average to short male that's all soft and feminine. Currently Midlander males at 0 muscle slider with the baby face is the closest we have and that just looks fat for the most part. Lalafells are basically glorified chibis. Miqo'te have a decent amount of musculature to them, and Elezen… we've all noticed the odd proportions on them.

At some point a line needs to be drawn. You can already design multiple playable races to be feminine and androgynous. There's also a lot of new hairstyles and casual glamour being added that conforms to such aesthetics. Often at the cost of those of us who just want to conform to traditional standards of beauty.

There's a very vocal portion of players who do everything possible to discourage the development team from adding anything that conforms to masculine aesthetics. I'm not hugely fond of extremely buff men along the lines of Roegadyn as I find their proportions to be ridiculous. Though equally I'm even less fond of the child like, extremely feminine aesthetic that some people in this thread are pushing for.

It's false to claim that there's too much 'bara' in this game. As multiple people have explained already, Au Ra, Highlander and Roegadyn men aren't quite what some of us desire.

Furthermore, given how Viera are described in the lore it makes sense for the men to be at least somewhat muscular and intimidating rather than small and timid looking.

[BillyKaplan]

Furthermore, given how Viera are described in the lore it makes sense for the men to be at least somewhat muscular and intimidating rather than small and timid looking.

I'm legally obligated to link to the Monty Python killer rabbit video

[MrKimper]

Furthermore, given how Viera are described in the lore it makes sense for the men to be at least somewhat muscular and intimidating rather than small and timid looking.

Yeah, it'd be cool if they were taller and muscular, with less of the ol male au ra birthing hips, they'd pretty much take male elezen's niche though. Same with Hrothgar being tall and thick with muscles, they'd just be a better Roe by some standards, maybe a better au ra for some.

Really though as sad as it is to say most of the 'races' in the game are just different body types, if you compare them to races in other games. So to that effect I do understand people wanting more out of the races.

[SomeRandomHuman]

It was more of a general statement directed at multiple posters.



At some point a line needs to be drawn. You can already design multiple playable races to be feminine and androgynous. There's also a lot of new hairstyles and casual glamour being added that conforms to such aesthetics. Often at the cost of those of us who just want to conform to traditional standards of beauty.

There's a very vocal portion of players who do everything possible to discourage the development team from adding anything that conforms to masculine aesthetics. I'm not hugely fond of extremely buff men along the lines of Roegadyn as I find their proportions to be ridiculous. Though equally I'm even less fond of the child like, extremely feminine aesthetic that some people in this thread are pushing for.

It's false to claim that there's too much 'bara' in this game. As multiple people have explained already, Au Ra, Highlander and Roegadyn men aren't quite what some of us desire.

Furthermore, given how Viera are described in the lore it makes sense for the men to be at least somewhat muscular and intimidating rather than small and timid looking.

I know the ideal thing I mentioned is most likely not going to happen. I can hope until its entirely shot down this weekend. I'm willing to compromise. I'd settle for them being more on the lithe side as well. I just don't want another generic superhero bodyshape that they have given to basically everything.

[Lauront]

So not only is there a gender lock, but I don't even like the Hrothgar design.

Two races I won't be touching. Good thing that there's still midlanders and au ra.