Gender locked race?

[Gwenorai]

I wonder if the texts meant the term "hares" for males specifically, or was it just a simple derogatory term? If what the Company Tragedian read was of Garlean writing, I can definitely see the term being used for Viera in general. Either way this could still point the way towards either gender making the conscious decision to leave the wood considering how vague it is.
Do you have a screenshot of this text? The NPC says something different for me atm, so I'm guessing that it was at a previous point of the 24 man story.
(If this was discussed earlier in the thread I may have missed it sorry. I thought I read most of it, but then again there now like 300 pages to sort through.)

I'm not sure if he says it before or after Fran is on the ship as that would be extremely telling if it was a derogatory term or not - she would have heard him. I very much remember him saying this however; if I can I'll try and post a screen in a later date. Though I do believe it's in this thread perhaps part of the Viera lore dump you can read here; http://mirkemenagerie.tumblr.com/pos...7699/the-viera. This provides a lot of information on Viera right down to their population in FF14 Dalmasca - uses both 'Return to Ivalice' and the 'Eorzea Encylopedia II'.


Another quote I found interesting;
"Rabanastre became a key staging ground for imperial forces in the campaign, and from there the Empire advanced into Nagxia. Although the realm was divided amongst several clans that were unable to muster a united resistance, imperial forces were at a disadvantage, as the local resistance took advantage of the dense jungle climes to frustrate the invaders’ movements and stage ambushes. It took nearly three whole years for Garlemald to subjugate the whole of Nagxia, ultimately by relying upon small, highly trained mobile units scouring the jungles until the last belligerents were brought to heel, allowing the Empire in 1552 of the Sixth Astral Era to devote its attention wholly to the conquest of Yanxia and the Kingdom of Doma.”

'Highly trained small mobile units' sounds like Viera - especially if they're able to navigate the jungle climates and take out those who have the home turf with inferior numbers.

[cicatriz313]

'Highly trained small mobile units' sounds like Viera - especially if they're able to navigate the jungle climates and take out those who have the home turf with inferior numbers.

I mean, sure, but it also sounds like the navy seals lol. It's interesting if that hares going with the imperials thing is true though. Definitely sounds like the past though, and the wandering thaumaturge does mention how you don't see Viera in the city so it's strange.

[Gwenorai]

It was in the past, aye, before Doma fell. I don't recall when Rabanastre was taken, so 30+ ago years? Giving it enough time for a Viera WoL to be born outside of the wood or to move to Eorzea. Wandering Dramaturge's lines seem to be different in regards to Japanese and English; been like that for a long time - his words could have a different meaning in the Japanese version.

[cicatriz313]

It was in the past, aye, before Doma fell. I don't recall when Rabanastre was taken, so 30+ ago years? Giving it enough time for a Viera WoL to be born outside of the wood or to move to Eorzea. Wandering Dramaturge's lines seem to be different in regards to Japanese and English; been like that for a long time - his words could have a different meaning in the Japanese version.

I mean, do you have access to the JP words or are you just going off of what someone else said? I would like to look at them and see if I can put my rudimentary Japanese to the test.

Edit: Gonna see if I can swap my client lol

[Gwenorai]

I mean, do you have access to the JP words or are you just going off of what someone else said? I would like to look at them and see if I can put my rudimentary Japanese to the test.

Edit: Gonna see if I can swap my client lol

Good one to look at is the difference between Middyy's quotes; English Middy is a lot more ominous and at first, you couldn't tell if he was going to help or not. Japanese version he wasn't and it was clear he was there to help. Lyse in stormblood has her be more 'blonde syndrome' protag - and comes across as outright flirtatious to WoL in the Japanese versions. Xenos's famous comment after Shinryu is also different. Just points to look at since I don't know Japanese and I'm going off the reported comments from other users who are bilingual. But you can use these points as reference points if you go rewatch some cutscenes~

I'm sure someone here who is also bilingual can chip in on the differences, or those who have also seen the same comments/videos of the translation differences.

Mmk so, the line about going to rabanastre and not seeing anyone in japanese is:
Watashi mo katsute rabanasuta e omomuita koto ga aru ga, dansei vu~iera no sugata o mitsukeru koto wa dekinakatta nē.
Which is interesting because it specifically says not seeing male Viera in Rabanastre. (dansei)

Interesting, is the dialogue pretty much exact throughout? o:

[cicatriz313]

Good one to look at is the difference between Middyy's quotes; English Middy is a lot more ominous and at first, you couldn't tell if he was going to help or not. Japanese version he wasn't and it was clear he was there to help. Lyse in stormblood has her be more 'blonde syndrome' protag - and comes across as outright flirtatious to WoL in the Japanese versions. Xenos's famous comment after Shinryu is also different. Just points to look at since I don't know Japanese and I'm going off the reported comments from other users who are bilingual. But you can use these points as reference points if you go rewatch some cutscenes~

I'm sure someone here who is also bilingual can chip in on the differences, or those who have also seen the same comments/videos of the translation differences.



Interesting, is the dialogue pretty much exact throughout? o:

Oh you just meant in general the JP is different than localized lol I thought you meant someone pointed out specifically that lore was different. Honestly the kanji was way too crazy for me for the most part so I basically just google translated it all. For the mooost part it's the same concepts, matriarch society, exclusively women in the village and men are out on their own.

This bit in particular might be special:
Shūraku o deta dansei vu~iera wa mori ni gai o nasu mamono, aruiwa ningen o, tetteiteki ni haijo suru tame dake ni ikite iru to ieru.
The male Veira who left the village is a demon or a man who harms the forest.
It can be said that it is just alive to eliminate thoroughly.
Not sure how accurate google translate is there, sounds like leaving the forest is even more damning for males.

Edit: Yeah google sucks at translating, had someone else look at it - It is said that the male Vieras who leave the herd live only to absolutely destroy the monsters which harm the forest, or otherwise the humans who do the same.

[Gwenorai]

Oh you just meant in general the JP is different than localized lol I thought you meant someone pointed out specifically that lore was different. Honestly the kanji was way too crazy for me for the most part so I basically just google translated it all. For the mooost part it's the same concepts, matriarch society, exclusively women in the village and men are out on their own.

This bit in particular might be special:
Shūraku o deta dansei vu~iera wa mori ni gai o nasu mamono, aruiwa ningen o, tetteiteki ni haijo suru tame dake ni ikite iru to ieru.
The male Veira who left the village is a demon or a man who harms the forest.
It can be said that it is just alive to eliminate thoroughly.
Not sure how accurate google translate is there, sounds like leaving the forest is even more damning for males.

Ooof, if that's true then yeah - explains why we won't see males outside of the forest just 'randomly' on their own accord unless they're told to go by a matriarch/the wood itself, green word shenanigans. Makes sense I suppose, they're the first line of defence and most of the time the last needed. And those small numbers means they have to go 'repopulate'. Life as bunboi is rough.

Edit - Ah, so they're just walking, talking, breeding terminators that go rambo on anyone who would hurt the wood. Yerrrp, guess that means whoever started that forest fire is on their 'hit list'.

[artyport]

Oh you just meant in general the JP is different than localized lol I thought you meant someone pointed out specifically that lore was different. Honestly the kanji was way too crazy for me for the most part so I basically just google translated it all. For the mooost part it's the same concepts, matriarch society, exclusively women in the village and men are out on their own.

This bit in particular might be special:
Shūraku o deta dansei vu~iera wa mori ni gai o nasu mamono, aruiwa ningen o, tetteiteki ni haijo suru tame dake ni ikite iru to ieru.
The male Veira who left the village is a demon or a man who harms the forest.
It can be said that it is just alive to eliminate thoroughly.
Not sure how accurate google translate is there, sounds like leaving the forest is even more damning for males.

Edit: Yeah google sucks at translating, had someone else look at it - It is said that the male Vieras who leave the herd live only to absolutely destroy the monsters which harm the forest, or otherwise the humans who do the same.

ooh.. the wood sent out the male viera because he needed to become the warrior of light in order to save the wood from primals, the garlean empire and ascians.

[cicatriz313]

Mmk so, the line about going to rabanastre and not seeing anyone in japanese is:
Watashi mo katsute rabanasuta e omomuita koto ga aru ga, dansei vu~iera no sugata o mitsukeru koto wa dekinakatta nē.
Which is interesting because it specifically says not seeing male Viera in Rabanastre. (dansei)