Gender locked race?

[Alesone]

When has lore applied to the player? Canonically there's like three white mages in existence, but there's nothing stopping anyone from becoming one.

Dark knights? Lore-wise there's even fewer of them.

Male Miqo'te are supposed to be rare af, but no one in-game pats an eye to seeing dozens of them in any city-state. And the gay Nuhns. So many gay Nuhns.

Or going back to the Au Ra example, Sidguru's people were fired on by Ishgardian's, but a player who's an Au Ra isn't even touched upon.

It's almost like the players race and job doesn't have any effect on Lore and vice versa.

You aren't grasping the nuance. The lore doesn't dictate anything, the developers do. They use the lore as a tool to explain what we see/experience in the game and provide a more natural sense of cohesion with the setting and story. The Viera lore isn't there to be used as an excuse to say players can't be male Viera, it's there to explain when we're running around why we don't see any.

The lore didn't decide that players couldn't be male Viera, the developers did, they just put in lore that will bridge the gap to explaining in setting why we don't see any.

Your argument is like saying why can't we play as beast tribe characters then, they're capable of all the things we are as player characters. Or how about Garleans? Why can't we play as them?

[Iscah]

Your argument is like saying why can't we play as beast tribe characters then, they're capable of all the things we are as player characters. Or how about Garleans? Why can't we play as them?

I think that's a different issue. Male Viera are made (potentially) unplayable because of their individual race-lore that states they don't go out of the forest.

Garleans and beastmen aren't playable for world-lore issues. Both would make for particularly awkward storywriting when the Warrior of Light is "generic" and the script is the same regardless of race (except for the occasional nod) as their races are in direct conflict with the protagonists.

Either people completely ignore your 'interesting' race choice, or the script gets derailed every few levels as you try to explain (yet again) why you're not a Garlean spy or a marauding beastman who, at very least, needs to be driven out of the city immediately.


Even with the races we already have, you already get these awkward moments where the writers ignore your race. Buscarron explains the idea of Duskwights... to my Duskwight. Wildwood archers would bear the brunt of Silvairre's snobbery that only Wildwoods are true archers. Yugiri will insist she needs to hide her face, even to another Au Ra.

[MrKimper]

Have you all ever heard of, lion rabbits?

[Gwenorai]

Have you all ever heard of, lion rabbits?

Aye, was brought up before in the thread that male Viera may look like lionhead rabbits, but then that was kind of frowned at due to the whole 'Hrothgar' information. If male Viera were 'Hrothgar' then they would be a subrace - or a different race entirely that breeds with Viera for reproduction and they branch off at maturity.

Shrugs, I suppose if Viera and Hrothgar were like 'Pokemon' then shrug, lol maybe

[Duskane]

Aye, was brought up before in the thread that male Viera may look like lionhead rabbits, but then that was kind of frowned at due to the whole 'Hrothgar' information. If male Viera were 'Hrothgar' then they would be a subrace - or a different race entirely that breeds with Viera for reproduction and they branch off at maturity.

Shrugs, I suppose if Viera and Hrothgar were like 'Pokemon' then shrug, lol maybe

i did have the thought that Hrothgar was the male clan for viera

all we know from the localization mess up is about the Majestic mane which sure does add to the favor of lions
but its also pretty broad term

[JamiaHaab]

No, never. Please talk about these lion rabbits in extreme detail.

[Alesone]

The same dialogue from the Dramaturge nips that in the bud a bit though. It heavily implies that no male ventures outside of the woods. He says he's never seen, nor known anyone who has, seen a male Viera in the largest city hub nearest to their territory. We know females who venture out wind up there enough to make up a percentage of the population, but he states none of them are males.

Anything is possible but they're definitely laying groundwork to explain why we probably won't see any male Viera. No NPC's or anything. There's little reason for them to paint the absence of male viera in such adamant language that states they are never seen outside of the woods, and even if you go looking for them in the woods you won't find them either. They're that rare/elusive.

[Gwenorai]

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Aye; the issue I have with this chap is that he's certainly not the authority on Viera - sure he knows the information but that's that. It's weird because it paints different tales. You go into the wood, you won't see them. You go outside of the wood, you won't see them. Yet we know they exist and are the heavily populated within that woodland area. To the point that we know that when we set foot into the wood during the 24 man that Fran mentioned that they were watching us. She can see them, she knows what to look for. They exist to the females because the females know what the males look like and finally can sense/know where they are.

If they exist to female Viera then why can't a female Viera WoL/WoD not see them when they're in the homeland? Either it's going to be bad writing, the males are 'gone entirely' or they exist.

The Dramaturge is a hyur who is going off his own experiences and those of other races; and the players experience in previous games. If if it was another Viera who said 'they do not exist here' then there you go, that would solidify it.

Now it certainly could be possible that we won't see the males. But the fact they're still on par with rarity with male miqo'te in regards to birthrates that's kinda moot. If they use this for an argument then that's stupidity at its finest as people will just demand the males just like they did with the male kitty bois.

From a story standpoint, it could be explained away that the fact you haven't seen a male is because they don't want to be seen, and those who have seen them - like those imperial units who ended up being slaughtered by them can't return to tell the tale.

It's like Tuskan Raiders in Star Wars; we never see what they look like behind the masks, only their 'clan' has seen their true faces - but we know there's something behind the mask, but heck, you're not going to see that unless you kill one and rip the mask off. And no one has yet to come across a 'dead' male Viera.

As for the woods they inhabit. The dramaturge talks about if you walk into the woods that 'searching for them will find disappointment or even death' - this doesn't make any sense because those woods are a literal death trap. You're not going to walk into those woods in hopes of searching for a male viera because it's extremely likely you're going to end up dead or chased off by something; mostly dead. I remember that forest in FF12 being a no mans land, apart from the Viera, the beasties and some Imperials - I need to go through FF12 again to be sure about this.

In the end, if they weren't going to add male Viera then I'd ask why they even bothered to add in the lore regarding it. Why now? They could have easily just have talked about the females and just the females and left out the large piece of information regarding the genders. Honestly; it would have made more sense for the information to come from Fran - not the dramaturge.

Adding in lore about the males just adds to hype; why hype something if you're going to turn around and go 'nah'? But that's just my thoughts on it all of course.

Actually; can anyone confirm regarding the lore of the male Viera and if there's more lore on the male compared to other races that exist right now?

[Theodric]

Aye; the issue I have with this chap is that he's certainly not the authority on Viera - sure he knows the information but that's that.

Well, he kind of is...

The character in question is the stand in for the guy who is responsible for Ivalice and he's famous for telling stories that have depth and fit together very smoothly. His words carry immense weight no matter the form they take where Ivalice is concerned...especially if he agrees with Yoshi-P or simply doesn't want to see Viera men show up for some other reason.

Maybe he simply doesn't want the dispel the mystery surrounding them?

[Gwenorai]

Well, he kind of is...

The character in question is the stand in for the guy who is responsible for Ivalice and he's famous for telling stories that have depth and fit together very smoothly. His words carry immense weight no matter the form they take where Ivalice is concerned...especially if he agrees with Yoshi-P or simply doesn't want to see Viera men show up for some other reason.

Maybe he simply doesn't want the dispel the mystery surrounding them?

Aye, I know who he's based off of. xD The issue right now is the character is portrayed as not being the authority as only those who pay attention actually know who this guy is. If we take his words for the weight that they have then people should also take into consideration that he talks in past tense and has implied that things have changed considerably. Like how a Viera leaving their home is no longer seen as an outcast. A sign that WoL Viera won't be looked at in a foul light once they return to the wood.

As for him not seeing them; that's down to his past adventuring and seeking of information - that has also changed since he's been part of the company now with his elegant wifu. So, back then when he was adventuring? Of course, now? Things have changed at least for the females. The males are a mystery which can be taken both ways by his words.


To me, it sounded like they were going to introduce them. After years of no sign of them and only lore - that's a huge leap for all fans who enjoyed the Ivalice games, not just FF14. I'm not excited, and my hopes are tamed, but I like to think that we're not going to go into the gender locked route.