Gender locked race?

[Alesone]

I think people are getting their hopes up too much for drastically different subclans. For one, they already spelled out what the Viera ones are (Rava and Veena), and two, subclans having different models like Hyur is the same amount of work as two races, even if they take shortcuts and share all emotes/animations, it's still a lot of additional assets to make when we already know they're going out of their way with viera hairstyles having bangs on/off variants and had to do some kind of change regarding helmets for them.

There's wishful thinking sure, but people maybe need to adjust their expectations based on the likely reality of the situation.

[MrKimper]

I think people are getting their hopes up too much for drastically different subclans. For one, they already spelled out what the Viera ones are (Rava and Veena), and two, subclans having different models like Hyur is the same amount of work as two races, even if they take shortcuts and share all emotes/animations, it's still a lot of additional assets to make when we already know they're going out of their way with viera hairstyles having bangs on/off variants and had to do some kind of change regarding helmets for them.

There's wishful thinking sure, but people maybe need to adjust their expectations based on the likely reality of the situation.

Eh, who's to say, my expectations for eureka was for it to be one zone almost identical to diadem just solely existing for the relic, and while pagos is hot garbage I was still surprised they went through the effort of making each zone have it's own sort of unique mechanic.

I don't think we can really call wishful thinking until the fan fest drops, especially with the comments we were given about the "young elezen race" and such. We don't know what reality is until it actually happens after all :P. That being said I do see where you're coming from.

[cicatriz313]

I feel like the young elezen thing is taken way out of context. They were talking about ears, it's probably just ears that kinda go down and backwards.

[Alesone]

I feel like the young elezen thing is taken way out of context. They were talking about ears, it's probably just ears that kinda go down and backwards.

Exactly, especially when the japanese word she used can be translated as "combination" not strictly variation. I think she was absolutely just saying that with a combination of face+hair+height they can appear like they're young elezen, because they already look like that. I think Yoshida tried to shush her for exactly the reason we're seeing now, people are reading way too much into what she's saying and he didn't want people jumping to conclusions because he knows to be careful with what and how you say things because the fans/players will take things and run with it.

[MrKimper]

I feel like the young elezen thing is taken way out of context. They were talking about ears, it's probably just ears that kinda go down and backwards.

Eh, I don't think so, we haven't seen the subrace yet, not even in the art, if you compare the art assets we've been given to what we got for au ra there was a clear distinction between the xaela and the raen with the female being raen and the male being xaela, but we have no such GLARINGLY noticeable distinction in the art. We don't even have a second lighter skin viera 3D model representative of the lighter skinned race. I don't think it's too tin foil to stretch a bit here, I also doubt the official translator would translate anything incorrectly without being corrected or told to stop.

Again I don't think ANYTHING is confirmed until fanfest drops, but I don't think it's far fetched to assume the subraces may be unique.

[Gwenorai]

Eh, I don't think so, we haven't seen the subrace yet, not even in the art, if you compare the art assets we've been given to what we got for au ra there was a clear distinction between the xaela and the raen with the female being raen and the male being xaela, but we have no such GLARINGLY noticeable distinction in the art. We don't even have a second lighter skin viera 3D model representative of the lighter skinned race. I don't think it's too tin foil to stretch a bit here, I also doubt the official translator would translate anything incorrectly without being corrected or told to stop.

Again I don't think ANYTHING is confirmed until fanfest drops, but I don't think it's far fetched to assume the subraces may be unique.

We have seen the subrace, both were shown. That's just how little in the difference they are. One tribe has dark skin and light hair, the other tribe has light skin and dark hair. That's how small the difference is; that's why it's boring. There is a subrace that already exists called Feol Viera where they are smaller than the full Viera. But if so they didn't introduce it nor hint at it during the showing of Viera. Note that Feol Viera have a different history/lore to ordinary Viera - there is no reason for a male to not be shown if they were around. While not shown in the games - the males weren't exactly carted off nor did they have a dogma that made them leave their communities.

So, next fanfest they're either going to focus on this 'Hrothgar' - or go back to Viera information and Hrothgar. Seeing as the Viera certainly wasn't complete, we didn't see any of their race stances or them holding a weapon; and the whole 'where are the males' question hovering about, I suppose we will see. I have hopes they do exist due to the concept art Yoshida showed; which does hint that even though he has his grievances with Viera he's willing to allow them and thus had his concept artists draw them. And this was with his comments of him thinking they're weird. And of course, the comment of 'we wouldn't show the female without the male' comment still stands as well.

You don't show concept art of both genders; state that you're not going to show the male without the female and then judge the reaction of the userbase on how they want the Viera. I mean, the only reason I voted for Viera and whined for them was due to that concept art of the males and the assumption that he wouldn't go back and genderlock them.

Bah, if we're lucky - since Hrothgar was programmed in first that it may have been created before Viera - then Hrothgar was something that has been worked upon since before stormblood and may have been the 'race' that should have been released during that expansion but was held back.

or Hrothgar is a 'trap' to throw people off due to the extensive leaks. Seems doubtful but honestly, something about the way that blufever sounded/acted made me a wee bit suspicious.

[Tabbs]

We have seen the subrace, both were shown. That's just how little in the difference they are. One tribe has dark skin and light hair, the other tribe has light skin and dark hair. That's how small the difference is; that's why it's boring. There is a subrace that already exists called Feol Viera where they are smaller than the full Viera. But if so they didn't introduce it nor hint at it during the showing of Viera. Note that Feol Viera have a different history/lore to ordinary Viera - there is no reason for a male to not be shown if they were around. While not shown in the games - the males weren't exactly carted off nor did they have a dogma that made them leave their communities.

I'm not saying they didn't show off both subraces, but they did not confirm that they did. Please do not spread info as fact until it is proven. The skin tones were so close they may as well have been one clan and there isn't anything to prove that they aren't.

[Gwenorai]

I'm not saying they didn't show off both subraces, but they did not confirm that they did. Please do not spread info as fact until it is proven. The skin tones were so close they may as well have been one clan and there isn't anything to prove that they aren't.

How is it false information? I'm not spitting on the idea of them adding a new subrace - I'm stating that Raava and Veena we're clearly there; if they wish to class them as one and have another, all the power to them. I also went and stated ANOTHER subrace; yeah, totally me being against the idea.

Come on dude, I literally said how 'boring' the differences were between the two aforementioned subraces - which by the way you can read their lore in the FF14 lore books.. ¬_¬ Jeeze. And I wasn't even responding to you either, so again ?????

[cicatriz313]

Eh, I don't think so, we haven't seen the subrace yet, not even in the art, if you compare the art assets we've been given to what we got for au ra there was a clear distinction between the xaela and the raen with the female being raen and the male being xaela, but we have no such GLARINGLY noticeable distinction in the art. We don't even have a second lighter skin viera 3D model representative of the lighter skinned race. I don't think it's too tin foil to stretch a bit here, I also doubt the official translator would translate anything incorrectly without being corrected or told to stop.

Again I don't think ANYTHING is confirmed until fanfest drops, but I don't think it's far fetched to assume the subraces may be unique.

I mean, it's farfetched to assume anything. It's fine to HOPE for things, but assuming based on absolutely nothing is crazy. And I don't know why you say I don't think so, because it was literally said during the ear segment lol

[Alesone]

Eh, I don't think so, we haven't seen the subrace yet, not even in the art, if you compare the art assets we've been given to what we got for au ra there was a clear distinction between the xaela and the raen with the female being raen and the male being xaela, but we have no such GLARINGLY noticeable distinction in the art. We don't even have a second lighter skin viera 3D model representative of the lighter skinned race. I don't think it's too tin foil to stretch a bit here, I also doubt the official translator would translate anything incorrectly without being corrected or told to stop.

Except we have seen the sub race? The game says the distinct subclans are the light skinned Veena, and the dark skinned Rava.


This is reflected in the in game footage we were shown, 2 Rava, and 2 Veena:


As well as the art:


The Viera on the far left could either be a Rava or a Veena, but is most likely a Veena to balance out 2 and 2 once again. There will certainly be some overlapping in skin tones, as this exists with plenty of the races we have currently such as these two comparisons of Duskwight and Wildwood Elezen, though I doubt you could tell which was which.



And some races like Lalafell don't even have any differences in their skin tone palettes at all. It's very likely Viera will have a gradient, where the palest options will be restricted to the Veena, and the darkest options restricted to the Rava, but the middle options will potentially be shared by both. The two Viera clan differences will come in the shape of other smaller things such as facial markings etc. Just like virtually every other race.