Gender locked race?

[Rokke]

You can't really control the players' choice of race and gender combination.

Thats literally the point I was making. 1.0 lore had Miqos gender locked to female only because the males were rare and kept back at home for breeding. In-game (msq/open world/siedquests/etc) the male miqo representation is about right: for every male you see an army of females. Other player's characters don't really matter in the grand scheme of lore because as far as MSQ is concerned the other players' WoLs don't exist.

[JunseiKei]

Thats literally the point I was making. 1.0 lore had Miqos gender locked to female only because the males were rare and kept back at home for breeding. In-game (msq/open world/siedquests/etc) the male miqo representation is about right: for every male you see an army of females. Other player's characters don't really matter in the grand scheme of lore because as far as MSQ is concerned the other players' WoLs don't exist.

Yeah, that's something that gets hit on a lot that a lot of players seem to discard. There's only one Warrior of Light in the story. Other player characters you pick up are just adventurers and are even referred to as such. Final Fantasy sticks to their established lore. Those two male Miqo'te you happen to have in party might be the only two male Miqo'te for that whole region. They're just not part of your story. Basically, people not separating game mechanics from game story/lore.

[Beckett]

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, however, I can see why they would gender lock the Viera race. This would be because very few male Viera actually exist and they live in seclusion the majority of their lives. It would break immersion and their own lore to have a ton of Male Viera running around.

Their own lore that THEY created when designing this race for FFXIV! They could have very easily just not had the males be secluded and limited in numbers.

You can't even argue that the lore already existed in other games, because the Ivalice of FFXIV is not the same Ivalice as FFT/FFXII. Remarkably similar, sure, but there are plenty of differences, and one of those could have easily been that male Viera are plentiful and seen.

[Roda]

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, however, I can see why they would gender lock the Viera race. This would be because very few male Viera actually exist and they live in seclusion the majority of their lives. It would break immersion and their own lore to have a ton of Male Viera running around.

Moonkeepers.

Yet, thanks to SE understanding that people playing the character they want to play is more important than made up lore that isn't real and is designed as an excuse to be lazy/cheap, nearly half my male friends play moonkeeper males.

Remember adventurers are a rare breed too. Special members of their races that were gifted with the echo and set out to murderfy some gods.


Hell miqo'te are LITERALLY supposed to be the least populated race in eorzea, yet there's no queue to make one when they're one of the most popular player races.

You can't really control the players' choice of race and gender combination. However, FFXI did make a gender-locked race before. Two, actually. Galka were males only while Mithra were female only. Mithra having Viera's stipulation that males were rare and basically kept in villages for breeding.

They did the same thing with xiv 1.0, and decided it was real dumb when making arr and fixed it.

[JunseiKei]

They did the same thing with xiv 1.0, and decided it was real dumb when making arr and fixed it.

Right. They retconned a lot of lore in regards to 1.0. However, Viera belong to a different installment of Final Fantasy with a very specific lore and players did ask for Viera. READ: Players did not ask for an original FFXIV bunny race. They asked for a race from Ivalice. I'm just sayin'.

[Roda]

Right. They retconned a lot of lore in regards to 1.0. However, Viera belong to a different installment of Final Fantasy with a very specific lore and players did ask for Viera. READ: Players did not ask for an original FFXIV bunny race. They asked for a race from Ivalice. I'm just sayin'.

It is outright stated that xiv's ivalice is not 12/tactics ivalice. Canon is, or ate least should be, determined by what makes the game fun to play, not beholden to some unrelated story in an unrelated universe.
And I'd put money that "we want viera" was said not because people wanted them to ctrl + c, ctrl + v from 12/tactics, lazy restrictions and all, but because it was easier to say than "we want a demihuman race that is of another familiar pet species, but not too smol and brutish like miqo'te, but more refined like elezen"

[JunseiKei]

It is outright stated that xiv's ivalice is not 12/tactics ivalice. Canon is, or ate least should be, determined by what makes the game fun to play, not beholden to some unrelated story in an unrelated universe.
And I'd put money that "we want viera" was said not because people wanted them to ctrl + c, ctrl + v from 12/tactics, lazy restrictions and all, but because it was easier to say than "we want a demihuman race that is of another familiar pet species, but not too smol and brutish like miqo'te, but more refined like elezen"

Considering we have Fran, and very close to how she looks, and how Viera behave, etc. all fairly closely matching that of their titles, I'm going to assume they were talking about the story within the 24-man being part of those games canonly. That's a bit different, especially when you take a step back... and I think... they said this new raid is actually canon with Nier? I might have misread that. Still, I don't think male Viera will be playable. I know people are still hoping, but I seriously would find it in such poor taste to only show half of a race.

There's one Chosen of Hydaelyn, there's many Warriors of Light according to ARR. They somewhat dropped/retconned the plotpoint in subsequent expansions, but they're pretty specific about there being multiple people who made the time leap from Carteanu at the start of the MSQ.

Considering it was brought up in Fanfest showing Heavensward and stated by Koji and Yoshida in a Q&A asking exactly how many Warriors of Light are present. There is only ONE Warrior of Light in the confines of the story. Hydaelyn's Chosen =/= Warrior of Light with the given information. It was confirmed Ysayle was a Chosen of Hydaelyn when she died; the spark of light marked her as such and was commented upon by an NPC. It wasn't a retcon; that's players not splitting differences. The game very much says Warrior of Light when it comes to the Warrior of Light (or Darkness to boot) and calls others Hydaelyn's Chosen. So far, others with the Echo are within the Hydaelyn's Chosen.

[wylantar]

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, however, I can see why they would gender lock the Viera race. This would be because very few male Viera actually exist and they live in seclusion the majority of their lives. It would break immersion and their own lore to have a ton of Male Viera running around.

You understand male Miqo'te were in exactly the same situation right?

[Kallera]

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, however, I can see why they would gender lock the Viera race. This would be because very few male Viera actually exist and they live in seclusion the majority of their lives. It would break immersion and their own lore to have a ton of Male Viera running around.

You mean the lore that they are just bringing to the fore right now and was only present during 4.5? The lore that has no past ffxiv content attaching it and would be by definition, the easiest to modify within ffxiv?