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    I thought that was an Ascian.. the clearly Garlean guy on the left might be Gaius with a new hairstyle.. and that is either Minfilia in a new adult form or Lyse in the top centre. The rest are pretty easy though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rannie View Post
    Aaaaannnd now I just had a mental image of Lahabrea walking into a store called Bodies R Us and trying on different humans.... >.<

    Lahabrea: hn too tall... tooo short.... Juuuuuust right.
    Venat was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
    the clearly Garlean guy on the left might be Gaius with a new hairstyle..
    That's Solus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    That's Solus.
    Yeah that dawned on me moments after I wrote that post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rannie View Post
    Aaaaannnd now I just had a mental image of Lahabrea walking into a store called Bodies R Us and trying on different humans.... >.<

    Lahabrea: hn too tall... tooo short.... Juuuuuust right.
    Venat was right.

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    I'm gonna guess that the masked person is Fordola, and their body somehow got wrecked by the Resonance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    • ...Did Urianger just call Y'shtola "Matoya?"
    I think that exchange, the "What sayest thou, Master Matoya? We can accept our fate, or defy it, but we cannot deny it" is him basically going "What is it Master Matoya would/might say in situations like this?" and then referencing one such a Matoya-ism, to which Y'shtola responds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
    I think that exchange, the "What sayest thou, Master Matoya? We can accept our fate, or defy it, but we cannot deny it" is him basically going "What is it Master Matoya would/might say in situations like this?" and then referencing one such a Matoya-ism, to which Y'shtola responds.
    That makes a lot of sense, actually. Urianger's antiquate speech once again confusing me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
    I think that exchange, the "What sayest thou, Master Matoya? We can accept our fate, or defy it, but we cannot deny it" is him basically going "What is it Master Matoya would/might say in situations like this?" and then referencing one such a Matoya-ism, to which Y'shtola responds.
    (cross-posting to reply to this in both places)

    I disagree. He's speaking directly to her, asking "what do you say?" - most likely referring to the prediction told by the fortune-telling cards he's holding up. (Lorebook 1, p.244 - a three-card spread is a common method of reading a person's fate.)

    It doesn't particularly sound like something Matoya would say, and he hasn't been associated with her before (although it's possible he does know her). If anyone was going to 'quote' Matoya, I would expect it to be Y'shtola herself.


    Quote Originally Posted by Grayve View Post
    That makes a lot of sense, actually. Urianger's antiquate speech once again confusing me.
    "What sayest thou?" = "What say you?" = "What do you say?"

    I learned German at school, which has similar grammar to this slightly archaic English, so I think that helps. Unlike modern English, the verb is always the second word in the sentence, rather than always following the subject, and everything else fits in around it.

    Verbs take on different endings depending on the subject. [I] ____, [you] ____st, [he/she] ____t, [they] ____en. I think the pattern is the same here.

    And "thou" simply means "you" - but where we can use "you" to mean a single person or a group, originally "thou" was for addressing a single person and "you" (or "ye") was only for a group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    (cross-posting to reply to this in both places)

    I disagree. He's speaking directly to her, asking "what do you say?" - most likely referring to the prediction told by the fortune-telling cards he's holding up. (Lorebook 1, p.244 - a three-card spread is a common method of reading a person's fate.)

    It doesn't particularly sound like something Matoya would say, and he hasn't been associated with her before (although it's possible he does know her). If anyone was going to 'quote' Matoya, I would expect it to be Y'shtola herself.
    I think it sounds like exactly the kind of thing Matoya would say (a bit more politely than she might actually say it, to be fair), and there's little chance he didn't associate with her or wasn't taught by her at one point or another back when studying to become an Archon.

    As for speaking directly to her (Matoya)? It wouldn't be the first time he's directly addressed an individual who was actually absent. Wouldn't even be the second. He did so with Moenbryda, then again toward Minfilia.

    There's also the narrative element of Matoya deciding to possess her body, which feels very much out of left field for her, based on what we've seen of the character. Also, body swapping has generally required either being Resonant or the Echo - neither Y'shtola nor Matoya are gifted with the latter, and I don't see Matoya going through the process to attain the former within the space of the next MSQ patch.

    It's certainly not impossible that it ends up playing out that way, but it feels like it's the least likely to occur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
    There's also the narrative element of Matoya deciding to possess her body, which feels very much out of left field for her, based on what we've seen of the character.
    This is still very much an assumption.

    For some reason he's addressing Y'shtola as "Matoya", that's all we know for sure.

    EDIT: Or can't even be sure of that.

    Additionally, even if he's "talked to someone who's absent" before, I still don't think he would walk up to someone and speak directly 'to' them but direct his words to someone else entirely, who isn't even there.

    (But I've now run out of post allowances so I'm out of this until tomorrow.)
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    Last edited by Iscah; 02-03-2019 at 02:48 AM.

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    The lower half of the face on our new masked guy definitely belongs to a male Miqo'te. Absolutely no question on that. As for who, well...

    Call me crazy (or just call me Fenral) but the mouth, nose, and chin are a match for G'raha Tia, and the crystalline scarring is almost certainly to conceal his neck tattoo. The outfit is even still red, possibly as an allusion to his original color scheme.

    But hells if I know why. I'm just calling it as I see it.
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    Last edited by Fenral; 02-03-2019 at 04:21 AM. Reason: added screenshot

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