[Suggestion] Remove UI menu threshold

[Daniolaut]

If this is legit, then your concerns are better placed in a bug report. General Discussion is not going to help you.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/s...84#post4849984

"Thank you for the reply Daniolaut.

I'll pass that request along, but I'd suggest posting it in the General Discussion forum as well. That is a good place to leave feedback and suggestions: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/f...ral-Discussion

Thank you for visiting the Final Fantasy XIV Technical Support Forums.!"

Why would I waste my time posting a false statement. "if this is legit" .... lol what?

[Raldo]

Why would I waste my time posting a false statement. "if this is legit" .... lol what?

My "if this is legit" comment is more directed at the fact that your post provides no actual evidence other than "it happened to me because I say it did". No screenshots; nothing. I certainly wouldn't waste my time trying to replicate it based on the information in your original post. If it is a bug, then the developers will want steps to reproduce the problem. "Move a bunch of shit around" is vague, at best.

If you really want the problem fixed, then come up with a list of repeatable steps that exhibit the problem (by steps I mean "I moved the currency menu to the top left. I closed the current menu. I moved the character info menu to the top right. I closed that menu." etc.). If you can't be bothered to do that, then don't expect the devs to bother fixing it. As a developer myself, I would throw this report right in the trash, perhaps while shouting "We have 200 different menus! This one player out of thousands is complaining about something without a series of steps to replicate? I'm not wasting my time with this garbage! Bug rejected!" Does it lose the position of the 1st thing you moved after moving 50 other menus? Does it only lose position of things after you log out and back in? Are you logging out/in on different systems? Are you utilizing the server UI saving system? Why is this guy lumping job gauges, which should have their own dedicated UI element storage, in with menus that don't, like currency and such?


Also, the advice from a GM to post here was... uh... an interesting choice on their behalf.

[Daniolaut]

My "if this is legit" comment is more directed at the fact that your post provides no actual evidence other than "it happened to me", and I'm certainly not going to waste my time trying to replicate it. If it is a bug, then the developers will want steps to reproduce the problem. "Move a bunch of shit around" is vague, at best.

If you really want the problem fixed, then come up with a list of repeatable steps that exhibit the problem. If you can't bother doing that, then don't expect the devs to bother fixing it.


Also, the advice from a GM to post here was... uh... an interesting choice on their behalf.

So you're claiming to know more than the dev now? Also "move a bunch of stuff around" is ****Literally***** how you replicate this issue.............

but, for your sake, even though this isnt a bug, its a design flaw.... here you go!

Date of issue: Reoccuraing
Time of issue: Reoccuraing
Frequency: Reoccuraing
World name: All worlds
Character name: Daniolaut Leonheart
Retainer name: N/A
NPC name: All menu related NPC's such as OIC Quatermaster
Monster name: N/A
Class/Level: All Classes all jobs
Party or solo: Both Party and Solo
In-game time: All in game times
Area and coordinates: Inn Room, FC menu, GC headquarters, everywhere
Housing: All housing menus
Steps:
1. Open Duty Finder, (or "X" UI element)
2. Select Lord of Verminion
3. Move LoV layout options (or other Menu element from "X" list)
4. Log out (to ensure everything saves)
5. Log in
6. Open HUD Layout as Monk
7. Move Greased Lightning HUD element
8. Save settings
9. Log out so items save
10. Repeat steps 1 and 3 for below "X" UI element list of items subject to "Saved location threshold"

Further info:
be it logging out or not, no other factors come into play outside of the fact, of opening a User Interface menu from list below, and moving it to a desired location, that after a unknown "Y" number of times the UI elements used less often will then reset to the default location......

X User Interface element/menu/layout list of items subject to mentioned problem:

Actions and Traits menu, Currency menu, Character menu, Armory chest, Inventory, chocobo saddle bag, Companion menu, Chocobo companion "examine" menu, Barding menu, Mount guide, Minion guide, Blue Magic Spell book, PvP profile, PvP Character Menu, Gold Saucer Menu, Card Decks Menu, Achievements menu, Recommendations menu, Journal, Leve Pick up menu, Quest Pick up menu, Quest turn in menu, Duty Finder, Raid finder, Duty Recorder, Hall of novice menu, Timers menu, GC Mission allowance menu, GC turn in menu, GC purchase menu, Custom Delivery Menu, Custom Delivery Client menu, Rowenas Delivery menu, Fashion Report menu, Ehcatl turn in menu, adventure squadron menu, Doman Enclave menu, Masked Carnival menu, Ventures menu, Hunting log menu, Sightseeing log menu, Crafting log, Gathering Log, Fishing Log, Fish Guide, Orchestrion list, Orchestrion Playlist menu, Inn room orchestrion playlist menu, Challenge log, Aether Currents, Mount speed, Map, Teleport menu, Party Member menu, Party Finder menu, Signs menu, Way marks menu, Ready check menu, countdown menu, Emote menu, FC menu, Housing Menu, Outdoor furnishing menu, Outdoor furnishing color, Remodel Menu, Pain Exterior menu, Estate hall menu, Help menu for housing pop up, Guest access menu, Estate tag settings menu, Storeroom status menu, Linkshells menu, Cross world linkshell menu, Contacts menu, Support desk menu, Playguide menu, active help menu, Character config menu, System config menu, User macro menu, Keybind menu, (has reset while typing this...) License menu, (has also reset while making this list) Job gauges, Lord of Verminion Layout, Triple triad board, Challenge match menu, Mini cactpot menu, Jumbo cactpot menu, Out on a Limb *malboro/cactuar/titan speed menu*, Out on a Limb swing menu, Item purchase menu, Triple triad card turn in menu, Cuff a Cur menu, Finer Miner speed menu, (reset while making this post), Finer Miner swing menu, (also reset while making this post), LoV Ranking board (reset making post) , Triple Triad Tournament ranking board, Moogles Paw menu, Monster toss menu, Crystal tower striker menu, Residential District Aethernet ward menu, Apartment menu, 2.0 hunts both weekly and daily, 3.0 hunts both weekly and daily, 4.0 hunts both weekly and daily, Squadron menu, Individual Squadron profile menu, Slide I-XIV mini game menu, Parley menu, Concentration menu, Cheap Dungeon menu, Egg Hunter Riggy menu, Glamour Dressor menu, Glamour plates menu, Armoire Remove item menu, Armoire store item menu, Retainer Sell item menu, Retainer Sale history menu, Retainer Class/atributes/gear menu, Retainer Venture menu, Anima glass menu, Ulans note menu, Unending Journey Menu, (reset while making this list), Doman Enclave donation menu, Wondrous tails menu, Skywatcher menu, Market board menu, Fisher Bait and Tackle Menu (reset while making list), Fisher Gig head menu (reset while making list), FC chest menu, company credits purchase actions menu (reset while making list), FC purchase items menu,

Edit: More items:
Bard Performance menu, Group Pose menu, Chocobo Stable menu, Gardening menu for indoor plants, (reset while making list.)

Connection Specs
- Type of internet connection/provider: Wired/Comcast
- Modem maker/model number: Netgear Nighthawk

PC Specs (If reporting graphical errors, full PC Specs are required.)
-=-=-=-=- System Information -=-=-=-=-

Manufacturer : Gateway
Model: DX4860
Prcessor: Intel core i5 2320 3.00GHz
Ram: 8GB
64 bit OS
GPU: GeForce GTX 960 NVIDIA Integrated RAMDAC 2007MB Ram, 4086 Shared Memory

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[Raldo]

10. Do other things play the game, such as triple triad, open other menus, move and save menu locations, watch items reset over and over after utilizing more elements of the game.

Here's the part where you'll get your bug thrown in the trash. If you can't be bothered to provide actual detail, then don't expect anyone else to waste their time trying to figure it out for you.

If I was looking at this, I would ask myself...
- Why does he mention LoV and MNK HUD elements specifically at the beginning, then go completely off the rails with no detail?
- What is getting reset? Everything? Some things? Always the same things?
- Does the reset problem only ever happen between logging in and out?

Based on the OP's description and the comment from the forum moderator, it doesn't sound like a bug, but rather a design choice that is frustrating the OP because he likes to customize his UI layout.

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A screenshot of a UI element moving back to its default position would just be a screenshot of the default UI...? I don't think that would be useful.

The difference between "a design choice" and "a bug" is often merely a matter of perspective. That's why there's the phrase "it's not a bug, it's a feature!" With that said, if your JOB GAUGES are getting reset, I think that's clearly a bug. If it were just the standard menus like currency and shit, I could see that being a design choice, but your job gauges should definitely not be moving around. That's like having your hotbar location or your chatbox size/location reset.

Also, yes, a single screenshot would obviously show nothing. I figured the reader would have inferred that I meant a before/after picture (that would at least show the devs whether everything or just some things got reset). Obviously, a video would be truly ideal, but I don't know what sort of time frames we're talking about here. Obviously, nobody's going to want to sit through an hour video of some guy dicking around with his menus.

[Daniolaut]

Here's the part where you'll get your bug thrown in the trash. If you can't be bothered to provide actual detail, then don't expect anyone else to waste their time trying to figure it out for you.

If I was looking at this, I would ask myself...
- Why does he mention LoV and MNK HUD elements specifically at the beginning, then go completely off the rails with no detail?
- What is getting reset? Everything? Some things? Always the same things?
- Does the reset problem only ever happen between logging in and out?

Now i'm starting to think you're a troll....

I will go back and edit it for further detail..... but this will be the last time. Its not very complicated. When you move x number of menu elements, for example the monk greased lightning hud element, to y desired location.... after doing so an unknown z amount of times the least used menu element then gets reset to the default location. Use the list of menu items that are subject to this issue.............

It was productive. It simply wasn't productive to you.

if you say so.

[WellFooled]

Based on the OP's description and the comment from the forum moderator, it doesn't sound like a bug, but rather a design choice that is frustrating the OP because he likes to customize his UI layout. If there is some sort of UI threshold, SE doesn't need it reproduced, they put it there. So Daniolaut isn't trying to alert them to a bug, but rather request a change in design. In which case, there's no need to try to reproduce it.

My "if this is legit" comment is more directed at the fact that your post provides no actual evidence other than "it happened to me because I say it did". No screenshots; nothing.

A screenshot of a UI element moving back to its default position would just be a screenshot of the default UI...? I don't think that would be useful.

[Daniolaut]

Based on the OP's description and the comment from the forum moderator, it doesn't sound like a bug, but rather a design choice that is frustrating the OP because he likes to customize his UI layout. If there is some sort of UI threshold, SE doesn't need it reproduced, they put it there. So Daniolaut isn't trying to alert them to a bug, but rather request a change in design. In which case, there's no need to try to reproduce it.



A screenshot of a UI element moving back to its default position would just be a screenshot of the default UI...? I don't think that would be useful.

Thank you. Sometimes people need things restated so they are conveyed in a more sensible fashion.



EDIT:

Now that I think on this more, the reason for this choice might be due to Playstation and how it saves data. Dare I say "PS3/PS4 Limitations" ?

(PS3 was said here because this game once supported PS3, and I'm quite certain when this element of the game was designed, PS3 was due in part of the choice thereof.)