Can we remove Tank Stance?

[Liam_Harper]

I highly disagree, tank stance penalty don't exist to create any artificial reward by not using tank stance, yoshi and the devs claim more that one time tanks are mean to tank in tank stance and they are dissapointed by how tanks avoid complety the tank stance plus they concerns about by result of all of this claiming tank damage its too high

Then explain why tanks cannot beat Stone Sky Sea for EX or Savage in tank stance at ilv. I mean they won't even come close, you literally can't do it.

SSS was created by the devs, tailored individually to each class, intended to show whether or not you have the recommended dps for your class. EX and Savage bosses, which have tight enrage timers, are designed with the assumption that both tanks spend the maximum time possible in dps stance.

The current use of stances is not only intentional, it's mandatory to beat the hardest content.

[Nedkel]

Then explain why tanks cannot beat Stone Sky Sea for EX or Savage in tank stance at ilv. I mean they won't even come close, you literally can't do it.

SSS was created by the devs, tailored individually to each class, intended to show whether or not you have the recommended dps for your class. EX and Savage bosses, which have tight enrage timers, are designed with the assumption that both tanks spend the maximum time possible in dps stance.

The current use of stances is not only intentional, it's mandatory to beat the hardest content.

I was to write just about the same thing.

Its only developers choice, not playebase to play tanks that way and not another.
They had over a year (if not longer?) to change that, but never bothered to do so.

[Melichoir]

Then explain why tanks cannot beat Stone Sky Sea for EX or Savage in tank stance at ilv. I mean they won't even come close, you literally can't do it.

SSS was created by the devs, tailored individually to each class, intended to show whether or not you have the recommended dps for your class. EX and Savage bosses, which have tight enrage timers, are designed with the assumption that both tanks spend the maximum time possible in dps stance.

The current use of stances is not only intentional, it's mandatory to beat the hardest content.

Just to play devils advocate a bit, If you consider most fights, there are tank swaps within those fights. That would mean Dropping tank stance when youre OT. So you would not, even in theory, do SSS in tank stance the entire way through it regardless if you were intending to MT or OT the fight. Because of this, SSS is probably designed around not being in tank stances because gauging how often youd need to be in tank stance or not probably isnt possible for the devs to measure in that regards.

And just as a note, you CAN beat EX and Savage fights wtih the MT being in tank stance. Its not ideal, and I am by no means saying its the recommended strat, but a geared group will have more than enough DPS to overcome the MTs 20% damage reduction. Its more burden on everyone else, of course, but the fights arent so tight that you couldnt do it.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Remove stances, make having the defensive stance the normal.

Because elitists want to cry and noobs fail around too much with the offensive one.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

Remove stances, make having the defensive stance the normal.

Because elitists want to cry and noobs fail around too much with the offensive one.

Elitist... lol

It's common sense to put on a defense stance that in order 2 GET THE JOB the quest explains 2 you how to use stance so srry but that noob excuse doesn't excuse this lol

[AxlStream]

If they removed the DPS stance and kept the Tank stance then Fell Cleave would be outside of your Tank stance while Inner Beast is there when you have Tank Stance on.

You only generate gauge while in a stance though.

[Burningskull]

You only generate gauge while in a stance though.

Hmmm... I forgot about that....

[AxlStream]

Hmmm... I forgot about that....

And just to nip a possible horrible idea in the bud. Don't say we should allow Fell Cleave and Decimate in Defiance, you would have Warriors generate extra emnity on their hardest hitting moves.

Also don't stick a CD on the move either as it would break the purpose of Inner Release and Infuriate.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

My problem is generally with tanks who skimmed a reddit post, saw 'DPS stance = best stance' and then don't bother to adjust or even research the 'why' behind the concept. I had a tank pull a boss in DPS stance. Like switched from Defiance to Deliverance, pulled the boss and then proceeded to stay there even though they were constantly dropping hate to pretty much everyone in the party. I've been that healer who's busted their ass on a tank who liked to wall to wall pull then seesaw to badly timed CDs or none at all. The problem is the overall expectation that DPS stance the only way to tank. Its not. Its just the optimal way and only IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I have two tanks at lvl 70 and it's hard enough to lead a group, know your mob groupings, adjust for group weakness without the added stigma that I less of a tank because I don't stance dance. Do I think good tanks should be penalized for pug misuse? No. But I also don' t think the way tank is being played now is the way it was intended, again not saying the way anyone plays is wrong but I'm pretty sure some changes will come even if its not removal of stances. Hopefully everyone will be happy with them. (Or too happy with gunblader to care).

[AxlStream]

Fell cleave gives the inner beast mitigation and decimate gives the bonus healing, problem solved.

What is this heresy... Warriors would be nigh unkillable then. Go to fflogs and see how many Fell Cleave uses a Warrior has. Might as well just give them permanent 20% damage received reduction.

Also Decimate + Inner Release = live forever then? You'd heal to max HP twice over.