Can we remove Tank Stance?

[Shougun]

This whole thread sounds like people who don't play tanks at a high level trying to fix tanks...

Might also depend on what tank you play, warrior's feels smoother than Paladin's which just feels clunky and imo usually unnecessary. I still want to see each tank have more unique tank systems (rather than all be stance on, stance off) but I feel like the wiggle room for tank balance (and healer) is very low.. so good luck lol.

[Melichoir]

Might also depend on what tank you play, warrior's feels smoother than Paladin's which just feels clunky and imo usually unnecessary. I still want to see each tank have more unique tank systems (rather than all be stance on, stance off) but I feel like the wiggle room for tank balance (and healer) is very low.. so good luck lol.

Theres a lot of 'issues' with tank stances in general. I think thats a topic worth discussing that even high level of play tanks can agree on to some extent. I wouldnt say any of it is gamebreaking, but rather there is a bit of clunkiness to how stances operate between the three tanks. Clunkiness that can be addressed and cleaned up I think for QoL purposes. But thats a different topic from this one.

[Arkdra]

There's no real reason to keep tank stances. Make the mitigation always on, remove the damage penalty, apply the bonus threat to their threat combo/other enmity generating moves. The only job even vaguely hurt would be warriors since they have the split stance actions, but that isn't exactly the hardest nut to crack for the balance team. Encounter design team would need to balance around it but they already have to balance around the current status quo anyway so that's whatever.

[Derio]

Removing tank stance would increase tank dps, in turn devs would have to innately increase their defense and enmity generation. This would require rework of all 3 tanks alongside of all the other reworks they are doing.

I highly doubt they will remove tank stance, but I do think they will go the WAR direction to where there is 0 cost associated with switching stances for all of the tanks.

[AxlStream]

First off, in a competent group, tank damage will never rival DPS damage. You'll always be 2K-3K behind the 4th DPS unless mistakes or padding for a parse run happened. Also comparing WoW and FFXIV philosphy on tanking/healing is comparing apples to oranges. WoW has more frequent, smaller amount of damages coming to tanks at all times and less potent heals that healers need to stay on top of while Yoshi and team decided to go with more predictable, slower and bigger hits of damage. It makes these roles more accessible in my opinion as there is less panic healing going on. Now we're just talking about making tank stance actually worth something and it is honestly. When the run goes south, people drop like flies and healers attempt a recovery, tank stance needs to be used to lessen the stress of healers so they can not focus entirely on keeping the MT alive. Although for most of the fights most of the playerbase runs, these chaotic runs leading to these situations almost do not exist. It's not that they don't have a use, it's that you don't need to use them when a run goes well, which is always good. It's not indicative of tank stance being useless.

[Hanayumi]

I feel like enmity combo can prolly get axed, tbh they only get used in lower levels. Take them out and a chunk of enmity to the other combos and it would be perfectly fine to stay in those dps stances.

[Nedkel]

I feel like enmity combo can prolly get axed, tbh they only get used in lower levels. Take them out and a chunk of enmity to the other combos and it would be perfectly fine to stay in those dps stances.

You will need the combo once you discover you dont have to be in tank-stance all the time.

There's no real reason to keep tank stances. Make the mitigation always on, remove the damage penalty, apply the bonus threat to their threat combo/other enmity generating moves. The only job even vaguely hurt would be warriors since they have the split stance actions, but that isn't exactly the hardest nut to crack for the balance team. Encounter design team would need to balance around it but they already have to balance around the current status quo anyway so that's whatever.

No stop it.
Dont dump down the jobs, tank doesnt need a WoW treatment, they should remove stances but dont make it easier than it already is. Instead they should be given few skills that will generate enmity, or CD buff that will increase enmity generation for X amount of time. Enmity should be a thing which tank could work on, and make it so bad ones will fail to keep it.

[loreleidiangelo]

No stop it.
Dont dump down the jobs, tank doesnt need a WoW treatment, they should remove stances but dont make it easier than it already is. Instead they should be given few skills that will generate enmity, or CD buff that will increase enmity generation for X amount of time. Enmity should be a thing which tank could work on, and make it so bad ones will fail to keep it.

That is the opposite of this dev team's design philosophy, which is to make the roles that have more responsibility basically impossible to fail at unless you misplay horribly or are afk. If you squat in tank stance doing single pulls, spam your AOE threat ability, and push some of your completely overpowered frankly CD buttons when you drop below half, you are already "succeeding" at playing at tank in this game. Don't forget, base enmity was already buffed in this game because tanks were struggling too hard in DF before acquiring their tank stances at 30/40/whenever. This development team doesn't want your grandmama struggling with tanking any more than Blizzard wants her struggling with it.

[Nedkel]

That is the opposite of this dev team's design philosophy, which is to make the roles that have more responsibility basically impossible to fail at unless you misplay horribly or are afk. If you squat in tank stance doing single pulls, spam your AOE threat ability, and push some of your completely overpowered frankly CD buttons when you drop below half, you are already "succeeding" at playing at tank in this game. Don't forget, base enmity was already buffed in this game because tanks were struggling too hard in DF before acquiring their tank stances at 30/40/whenever. This development team doesn't want your grandmama struggling with tanking any more than Blizzard wants her struggling with it.

Still if you compare tanks from this game to tanks from wow, there is a huge difference in gameplay, number of skills etc.
I was playing wow on a controller, as a paladin wow i had maybe 1/3 of the buttons i do on my PLD in FFXIV.

I dont want this game to go to that direction.

[Canadane]

I feel like enmity combo can prolly get axed, tbh they only get used in lower levels. Take them out and a chunk of enmity to the other combos and it would be perfectly fine to stay in those dps stances.

You will need the combo once you discover you dont have to be in tank-stance all the time.

Even then you don't really use your enmity combo....ever.
Enmity control is given to everyone, not just tanks. The burst a tank starts with is what you'll carry on the fight with.