SE: Please copyright takedown FFLogs.

[Granyala]

What's worst is that one must make an account and forcibly opt out in order to be excluded from the site.

Or just play compentently and never worry about your logs. Played WoW for 10+ years and never once got flak for my DPS because I know how to play and dedicate the appropriate concentration to my hobby. Nope, I never pushed elite numbers. Didn't see the need.

Though, if you play incompetently you aren't doing savage anyway, so why care about parsers and logs in the first place?

This site is not a problem. It is a valuable diagnostic tool for raiders and I would not raid savage if it would not exist b/c I hate flying blind.

A few morons who mis-use it as a virtual private part enlargement do not concern me in the slightest.

[IzzyData]

Make it legal, hell endorse it! Don't put me in a situations where I have to work to not be involved with it when I've bought the game, signed the thing and bought the subscription for it, if it's not a game feauture.

That seems like the most rational stance to me. The people saying to shut up because you agreed to ToS are really missing the point.

[spf1200]

Alright who necro'd this useless thread? SE has already stated that they don't have a problem with FFlogs and have no plans to do anything about that t.

[Melichoir]

I disagree.

You can say you disagree, but HyoMinPark is correct. it's not a privacy issue. It's not your data and the data is available to everyone in party. So it matters little if you agree or not. If you dont want your data on fflogs, then you can opt out.

Keep in mind though that if your concern is people judging you based on your logs, know that if people are gonna judge you by your logs and cant find you, there pretty much gonna assume you have bad parses and are hiding it out of embarrassment. You arent stopping anyone from passing judgement on you.

[IzzyData]

t's not a privacy issue.

You can hold that opinion of course. However, I disagree.

[AxlStream]

Alright who necro'd this useless thread? SE has already stated that they don't have a problem with FFlogs and have no plans to do anything about that t.

People that are mad they cant sneak into parties as its known they are bad.

[YukinoAmidala]

You can hold that opinion of course. However, I disagree.

How is data that is publicly visible in game by anyone you party with private?

[aiqa]

Of course privacy regulation is different in different countries.
But for people claiming fflogs isn't a privacy concern I encourage to read: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...y/index_en.htm

In particular:
It doesn't matter what format the data takes – online on a computer system or on paper in a structured file – whenever information directly or indirectly identifying you as an individual is stored or processed, your data protection rights have to be respected.

And also:
It is not enough to simply opt out, for example by checking a box saying you don't want to receive marketing emails. You have to opt in and agree to your personal data being stored and/or re-used for this purpose.

Fflogs is small enough it can just ignore EU laws and nobody is going to go through the effort to take actions, but that doesn't make it all legal.

[YukinoAmidala]

Of course privacy regulation is different in different countries.
But for people claiming fflogs isn't a privacy concern I encourage to read: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...y/index_en.htm

In particular:
It doesn't matter what format the data takes – online on a computer system or on paper in a structured file – whenever information directly or indirectly identifying you as an individual is stored or processed, your data protection rights have to be respected.

And also:
It is not enough to simply opt out, for example by checking a box saying you don't want to receive marketing emails. You have to opt in and agree to your personal data being stored and/or re-used for this purpose.

Fflogs is small enough it can just ignore EU laws and nobody is going to go through the effort to take actions, but that doesn't make it all legal.

"EU data protection rules, also known as the EU General Data Protection Regulation (or GDPR), describe different situations where a company or an organisation is allowed to collect or reuse your personal information"

Your dps is not "personal information".

[Melichoir]

Terms of servicers are actually legally binding contracts between the partiets who sign it. They are however deemed uninforceable if it States that the service providor can change it when ever and however they want.

It's in my best interest (and yours) that what you sign is clean.

I dont care who or how logs or parsers. I raid when I want and how I want and havent had any problems yet. Get that narrative outta here.

I don't care that somebody is looking at my numbers. I care that while it's against the ToS, I'm now in a position where it's up to ME to let the third party program know that I don't wanna break the ToS because just by agreeing to the ToS, making my character and coming across someone who uses this stuff, I'm automaticly breaking the ToS. essentially.

Make it legal, hell endorse it! Don't put me in a situations where I have to work to not be involved with it when I've bought the game, signed the thing and bought the subscription for it, if it's not a game feauture.

That's all I would like, personally.

Read the ToS. They reserve the right to make changes among other things as they see fit, among determining how the terms of service is used. This means they can enforce (or choose not too) as they see fit and there's nothing you can do about it.

If you have an issue with the legalese, go ahead and file a lawsuit. Beyond that, theyre not going to care.

If you have no problem with it existing, and still raid regardless of it, then what is your problem? It's not in the ToS or that SE doesnt enforce ToS unilaterally? Please. This is sounding like you are making a fuss out of something you seem to be fine with but arent for really odd reasons.

You can hold that opinion of course. However, I disagree.

Again, its not an opinion. It's fact. You can hold the opinion that it should be a privacy issue, but that doesnt change the fact it isnt currently because the information provided isnt yours - it's SEs. They can do anything they want with that information, and as long as youre in the theme park, people can see what youre doing and SE is fine with this usually