SE: Please copyright takedown FFLogs.

[HyoMinPark]

This is some incredible display of ignorance I'm seeing. I have to wonder what the agenda here is.

You still haven’t answered how this is a privacy issue when it involves publicly available information.

Ad companies only see my browser ID, and based on that they give me personalized ads.
They don't know where I live, don't know my name, my blood type, etc.
But it's still illegal because it indirectly (or directly, that is debatable) identifies me as a individual.

As I've explained identifying someone as an individual isn't not identifying my name, it's differentiating between people.
And you can differentiate perfectly fine based on characters in a computer game.
One character is played by one person, another character by another person.

I want to point out that you’re posting on a public forum with the same information visible that is present on that site (minus the combat log): character name, server—I can look you up on the Lodestone and find out your guild name and the jobs you have leveled. Again, this information is publicly available. So how does it constitute as a privacy concern?

Combat log data is available immediately to everyone that gets you in a party. PC users have a copy saved locally on their computer (which also includes all chat logs for that day). None of this is sensitive information like date of births, social security numbers or even things like addresses that can directly identify who you are as a person.

You aren't asking that in good faith. If you believe that everything that occurs in public can never be a matter of privacy then your personal beliefs are preventing you from understanding anything I can ever tell you. You are free to remain ignorant about this.

No, I’m asking you because your entire argument is “this is a privacy concern”. But it involves public data—so how is this a privacy concern? I’m challenging your stance. This is what we call a debate.

You choosing not to answer leads me to believe that you don’t actually have an argument to counter this. Which means your base argument is flawed. If something involves public data—data that can be readily obtained by anyone—then it is not a private matter. Especially since you don’t even own this data you’re so concerned about. You are free to remain willfully obtuse about this matter, though.

[IzzyData]

You still haven’t answered how this is a privacy issue when it involves publicly available information.

You aren't asking that in good faith. If you believe that everything that occurs in public can never be a matter of privacy then your personal beliefs are preventing you from understanding anything I can ever tell you. You are free to remain ignorant about this.

[YukinoAmidala]

You aren't asking that in good faith. If you believe that everything that occurs in public can never be a matter of privacy then your personal beliefs are preventing you from understanding anything I can ever tell you. You are free to remain ignorant about this.

"I don't know how to respond to you so I am just going to dismiss your question."

[aiqa]

I want to point out that you’re posting on a public forum with the same information visible that is present on that site (minus the combat log): character name, server—I can look you up on the Lodestone and find out your guild name and the jobs you have leveled. Again, this information is publicly available. So how does it constitute as a privacy concern?

Combat log data is available immediately to everyone that gets you in a party. PC users have a copy saved locally on their computer (which also includes all chat logs for that day). None of this is sensitive information like date of births, social security numbers or even things like addresses that can directly identify who you are as a person.

If I didn't type my posts and click the "post reply" button on the forum.... but somehow my posts still get posted.... it might be a privacy concern?
And if I didn't explicitly allow Square to publicize my character data as they see fit on their website, it certainly would.
But those are of course silly examples that you're using as a strawman.

Howevere fflogs isn't part of my agreement with Square.
It's a separate thing that is collecting data that can be used to indirectly identify me, and thus is subject to EU data collection laws.

And it's not that I even really care about fflogs myself.
I just found it weird (and a bit funny) so many people are so very sure it's all legal, when it's clearly not.
Just accept it's not fully legal in every country, be happy or sad it's small enough to be ignored, and don't be surprised when people complain about it.

[YukinoAmidala]

If I didn't type my posts and click the "post reply" button on the forum.... but somehow my posts still get posted.... it might be a privacy concern?
And if I didn't explicitly allow Square to publicize my character data as they see fit on their website, it certainly would.
But those are of course silly examples that you're using as a strawman.

Howevere fflogs isn't part of my agreement with Square.
It's a separate thing that is collecting data that can be used to indirectly identify me, and thus is subject to EU data collection laws.

And it's not that I even really care about fflogs myself.
I just found it weird (and a bit funny) so many people are so very sure it's all legal, when it's clearly not.
Just accept it's not fully legal in every country, be happy or sad it's small enough to be ignored, and don't be surprised when people complain about it.

Those laws only apply to your personal information. Once again, your dps is not "personal information", your character name is not "personal information".

[aiqa]

Those laws only apply to your personal information. Once again, your dps is not "personal information", your character name is not "personal information".

I posted a link and added quotes that show what those laws apply to.
They apply "whenever information directly or indirectly identifying you as an individual is stored or processed".
Where does it say it has to be information you'd personally consider personal?

[IzzyData]

Those laws only apply to your personal information. Once again, your dps is not "personal information", your character name is not "personal information".

Most everything you've said up until now has been your opinion. However, this is most certainly incorrect. If you are unfamiliar with the subject matter it is more than acceptable to do some research before making outlandish claims.

[MariaArvana]

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It's collecting the data The game itself, the thing that's part of your agreement with Square, makes public to everyone in your party naturally.

Literally all FFlogs does is takes all data the game itself makes public and condenses it to an easy to read format. The instant you join ANY content, you're broadcasting that data out to everyone out in your party, whether anyone's actually using FFlogs in that party or not. Literally anyone you partied with could comb through their saved local game logs and find the same data.

FFlogs is a library. It doesn't have any content on its own, its merely using publicly available information (Square's battle logs it broadcasts to players) to fill out its content. It's not taking any data that your agreement with Square isn't blaring publicly to everyone you party with already. That's also putting aside the simple fact that Square already claims intellectual rights on any characters you create, so you don't even own the character anyway and thus it's not "personal" to you as an individual.

[aiqa]

Literally all FFlogs does is takes all data the game itself makes public and condenses it to an easy to read format.

But that is like exactly the problem.
"Data protection and online privacy" laws apply "whenever information directly or indirectly identifying you as an individual is stored or processed".

The thing is, you have to explicitly agree when someone stores or processes "information that directly or indirectly identifies you as an individual".
And like I've explained a few times, (indirectly) identifying someone doesn't necessarily mean having any other personal information about them.
Being able to say "that is one person and that is another" is enough.

So the only thing fflogs really has to do (or can do) to make things fully legal is make it opt-in and anonymize everything else.

[Kuroka]

Its a fact that only data of registered users should be saved, you might not like the idea but its easy like that. Not found on fflogs? Name deleted from parse.