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[ForteNightshade]

That and I still have 70% DPS uptime as SCH in every Extreme thus far. The fights are so scripted that if I didn't DPS I'd be standing around bored out of my skull.

Yep. The only healer struggling at the moment is Astro. And then it's primarily in dungeons where they straight up suck. The whole "healers will focus more on healing" was always going to be overblown because the dev team wasn't ever going to increase the actual outgoing damage. Maybe Savage changes that but I sincerely doubt it, especially not this coming tier. I fully anticipate Alte Roite v2.0.

[HWalsh]

But it isn't "a cancer" to have someone pulling 7k in a fight they should be at 10k? I would also like to know what complex single target rotations you're referring to because out Ninja and maybe Machinist, most jobs are pretty basic. I mean, have you seen Dragoon or Samurai?

Who decided that you "should" be doing 10k? Did you kill it with 6k? If so, then it's fine. The time difference is what? Probably maybe 30 seconds? Who cares about 30 seconds?

[Enla]

Who decided that you "should" be doing 10k? Did you kill it with 6k? If so, then it's fine. The time difference is what? Probably maybe 30 seconds? Who cares about 30 seconds?

In an Extreme that amount is often the difference between a clear and a wipe. In a dungeon? Eh I couldn't care less, I expect those to be long, but there's no worse feeling than giving your all in an Extreme only to fall short because someone else (and usually several other people at that) has bad numbers.

[HWalsh]

It is okay to play the game the way you want, but if your play style does not mesh with the group then it is normal to not expect them to want to put up with it. At the very least they asked you to leave instead of just blind kicking you from the group. I was in the same boat when I started to play this game, I ended up leaving a couple of groups on my own accord because I knew I could not meet the expectations of the group in question either due to gear or skill level at time.

Do not take it personally if you are asked to leave or are removed from a group due to your play style, it just means that it was not the right fit and they so happened to have majority required for your removal (if you have been kicked from a party) I do not agree with berating someone for their play, no matter how frustrating it can be if the player in question refuses to learn and stick with their old ways due to the standard you do not pay my sub, or we cleared the content etc . . . in the end this is a team game and the team speaks if the team wants to shave that 15 seconds so be, no one persons time has more value over the group itself. Overall your issues seems to have very little to due with parsing and more so your time verse the groups time.

It is a team game, and that means you should be considerate to everyone's skill level. If they're your tank, they set the pace, period. If it takes an inconsequential time period more? Who cares? It's a game.

[HWalsh]

In an Extreme that amount is often the difference between a clear and a wipe. In a dungeon? Eh I couldn't care less, I expect those to be long, but there's no worse feeling than giving your all in an Extreme only to fall short because someone else (and usually several other people at that) has bad numbers.

We're not talking about extremes though. We're talking about basic dungeons.

[Puppet-]

I like to see myself doing good dps comparing to others, thats the main reason why i am using it.

This. I'm not the type to call anyone out on anything, and I feel like the majority of people who use it aren't either. You can't let the vocal minority ruin it for everyone else. I hope SE never takes these types of post seriously because I think it'd be a pretty big loss.

[NessaWyvern]

It is a team game, and that means you should be considerate to everyone's skill level.

This is a team game, so you should be considerate of your own skill level, and how it affects others. If your dps is sub-par, you shouldn't be okay with making others pick up your slack. And you shouldn't get mad if they kick you for it.

[Awha]

It is a team game, and that means you should be considerate to everyone's skill level. If they're your tank, they set the pace, period. If it takes an inconsequential time period more? Who cares? It's a game.

This is the thing people do care, and that is okay. You may not agree with how they choose to play the game, just as they may not agree with how you choose to play the game. Many people have different reasons for playing and as such derive enjoyment from different aspects. Think about it for a second you agree it is a team game, yet you feel that one person by order of their role has the right to dictate what three others in the group want? Does not seem like a team game at that point, seems more like three others are no better then NPC's for the one setting the pace.

For you the tank may set the pace, and shaving time off the role is silly. I am sure you are not alone and I am sure many would agree with you. Just as I am sure many would agree that shaving time off a run is fun, or pulling enough DPS to skip that one mechanic is a thrill or enjoyable, or find pulling off a clean a wall-to-wall pull extremely satisfying. Just the nature of gamers we all enjoy different things.

I would also arguing asking or removing the weaker link is being considerate of another's skill level / play style no need to force them into a situation they may not be comfortable with. I wish more people would use the vote kick feature inside of dealing with situations they may not have to deal with. In the game more people should also consider what the group wants over their own personal desires or comfort levels. As you said it is just a game, so why would you want to play said game with people who clearly do not like the way you are playing?

We're not talking about extremes though. We're talking about basic dungeons.

Should the type of content matter? If the group wants to do something a certain way should one player to override that choice due to nature of the role? Are they teammates or NPC's?

In the end I might just have a wrapped view on this subject due to my own bias about wanting to always improve and learn. I guess I do not understand why someone would willing want to be mediocre, it is a different story if a player has certain limitations that prevent them from playing at a certain level, I have many friends like that, and even they try to learn and improve. As I said before everyone finds enjoyment in different things, I may not understand it but I respect your choice to do so.

[SturmChurro]

This is a team game, so you should be considerate of your own skill level, and how it affects others. If your dps is sub-par, you shouldn't be okay with making others pick up your slack. And you shouldn't get mad if they kick you for it.

Yes! Some reason here! You should at least be able to pull average numbers, a healer can pull higher than many of the DPS you get in dungeons. I don't expect players to be pulling top tier numbers with or without a dancer, but they should at least be pulling 'average'. I hate how people say be considerate of them, but I have always thought it was the other way around, THEY should be considerate of us! If I am pulling my weight in a dungeon, I expect everyone else to be pulling their's too. As in, using aoe on trash, healer being able to heal "big" pulls (more like normal). The time does add up and it can add an extra 5-10 minutes to a dungeon when there is someone lacking.

When it comes to extremes, I expect you to bring your best. I don't always do the best, I have my bad days, but there is a bar where too low is too low. Too low is when you cannot actually clear the content. You should be doing good enough to clear the content, the extremes don't even require that high of DPS. If you aren't pulling your weight you are expecting the rest of your party to do it for you, and that isn't fair to the rest of your party.

[TimeraiderGaranyi]

Owyeah, just for the very small amount of people (tiny compared to other MMOs) that judge people in their dps logs lets ban this certain site.
Wait? Most people use it to improve their own rotation and see how they can get better and see how they rank compared to others? heresy i say!

Yeah.. not gonna take this thread serious :P