How "Vote to Dismiss" is designed encourages abuse.

[Hiruke]

There are a couple key problems:

#1:

Originally, when abandoning a Duty, you only took a 15 minute lockout. That's not so bad, but prevents you from dropping instantly every time. Now it's an incredibly long 30 minutes. You'd think this would prevent people from dropping, but the reality is that now people will just troll you/go afk/etc. until you dismiss them. The problem here is that you can't add a timer to people who got dismissed, because then when it's used unfairly people are going to be furious, and also now instead of the intent of making people stick with the run instead of eating the timer, people are now actively hindering the run and actually making it worse for the people who want to do the run instead of better.

This happens... a LOT.

#2:

You can't "Vote to Dismiss" while fighting, or when already voting on someone else. This can lead to "fun stuff". Best example:

In Syrcus Tower, there was a healer who intentionally locked himself out of the Xande fight. Since when the lockout occurred we were clearly fighting, we couldn't vote dismiss them. Couldn't vote dismiss them after the fight either, because the dungeon had been cleared. So, as long as we win, he gets a free shot at loot without doing anything at all. Does this seem somewhat unfair to you?

The game shouldn't actively encourage poor behavior, and yet it does.

#3:

I can't believe I almost forgot this one!

There's absolutely nothing to prevent someone from getting dismissed, then queuing back up for that same dungeon/instance, and rejoining your party right after they left (assuming they selected "join in progress" and here's not someone else of that same role who also checked "join in progress" who queue'd before them). I was once in a Stone Vigil (Hard) where the healer refused to heal, and also tried to mpk us by pulling way too many monsters. He was kicked by every single member of the party, and rejoined the dungeon in progress THREE TIMES. We just gave up and abandoned duty.

This will happen a lot with tanks and healers ready to troll your dungeon/primal runs.

[Barboron]

A bigger issue with the vote dismiss is that after SE implemented it, they make their excuse to wipe their hands clean of having to follow up any abuse. Should a dispute occur between two players before a dismissal takes place, the GMs will not follow up any report of Vote Dismissal abuse. It's quite obvious that more often than not, a dispute will occur as that's when one party wants another gone.

With that said, this makes a loophole for anyone to freely abuse the vote kick without worrying about any repercussions. Simply, start a dispute then vote kick. SE and the GMs have no interest of who was in the right or wrong when it comes to the dismissal itself. Once a dispute occurs, that's it.

[Elven]

This is better than being kicked from a 3 man party and you were the extra wheel. What it does is protect you from this kind of tard behavior that have them run rough shot over you for the loot however the down side is what you have mentioned sadly no matter what way you do this there is no winning except for the scenario I presented.

[Donjo]

Encourage... people really need to stop using that word. A system within a game is not sentient. It cannot wave its arms and tell you "Hey, do this abusive thing with me! Please?"

A system cannot encourage players to do something. All it can do is possess an option; an option that not everybody is going to take.

It is true that the Vote Dismiss allowing for these kinds of situations is bad. However, the system isn't encouraging players to use it in the manners. The players are encouraging each other to use it in these manners. The offline afker is encouraging his party members to kick him by being absent from the dungeon. The intentional lockout is just being a jerk and would be able to do this whether kicking was possible or not.

[Evangela]

unfairly dismissal deserves more punishment, like 10+ days suspension.

last week I got kicked out at the last boss because 3 guys in the party (friends in real life, as they said so) blamed me for low dps, even though I ranked 2 on the enmity list. I reported them to SE but not sure if they're gonna do anything.

[ispano]

unfairly dismissal deserves more punishment, like 10+ days suspension.

last week I got kicked out at the last boss because 3 guys in the party (friends in real life, as they said so) blamed me for low dps, even though I ranked 2 on the enmity list. I reported them to SE but not sure if they're gonna do anything.

The enmity list is a poor judge of DPS, especially if the DD have and use Quelling strikes. And even more so if you don't and they do.

[Evangela]

The enmity list is a poor judge of DPS, especially if the DD have and use Quelling strikes. And even more so if you don't and they do.

but they don't.

[Saccharin]

There are a couple key problems:

#1:

Originally, when abandoning a Duty, you only took a 15 minute lockout. That's not so bad, but prevents you from dropping instantly every time. Now it's an incredibly long 30 minutes. You'd think this would prevent people from dropping, but the reality is that now people will just troll you/go afk/etc. until you dismiss them. The problem here is that you can't add a timer to people who got dismissed, because then when it's used unfairly people are going to be furious, and also now instead of the intent of making people stick with the run instead of eating the timer, people are now actively hindering the run and actually making it worse for the people who want to do the run instead of better.

This happens... a LOT.

If people do that to me I make them wish they hadn't. My first harassment ticket was because of this tank. This damage dealer was spouting disgusting stuff so when we could we kicked him. It happens that the tank was his friend so he went afk. We kicked him and with in seconds he re-joined. We eventually ran out of kicks so I wasn't gong to leave so just waited until near the end of the duty because I wasn't going to let him win so I waited and eventually outwaited him. I put in a harassment ticket.

So a recent one. I was in a Toko-Rak run and we had this hero tank pulling everything and expecting me to heal through walls. Well one of his friends decided to initiate a kick. I was being nice and voted no so he wasn't kicked. The friend, maybe the one who initiated the kick, told him and I got the blame. So he goes on to call me a liar and he's going to kick me. Is he hell. It was the last boss so I jumped in and just spammed Cure 1 for 48 mins until the duty timer expired. I bet his mate wished he didn't initiate that kick. Anyone messes with me I don't let them get away with it. If they want to waste my time I'll waste their time.

#2:

You can't "Vote to Dismiss" while fighting, or when already voting on someone else. This can lead to "fun stuff". Best example:

In Syrcus Tower, there was a healer who intentionally locked himself out of the Xande fight. Since when the lockout occurred we were clearly fighting, we couldn't vote dismiss them. Couldn't vote dismiss them after the fight either, because the dungeon had been cleared. So, as long as we win, he gets a free shot at loot without doing anything at all. Does this seem somewhat unfair to you?

The game shouldn't actively encourage poor behavior, and yet it does.

You report them for harassment. One player in my roulette dressed refused to heal me. the tank and pulled Ifrit, each time we died. I reported them for harassment and I bookmarked their character and they haven't logged into it since. Hopefully SE banned them and decided not to play.

[Quesse]

The real problem is instant gratification and duty finder.

Its a vicious circle. In 1.0 there was no duty finder and no need for vote kick. But everyone wants instant pairing for duty with no community and then complained there was no vote kick. Now there's a vote kick and everyone is complaining that its being abused.

Its being abused because Duty Finder killed community. Everyone happy now?

[Krr]

Encourage... people really need to stop using that word. A system within a game is not sentient. It cannot wave its arms and tell you "Hey, do this abusive thing with me! Please?"

A system cannot encourage players to do something. All it can do is possess an option; an option that not everybody is going to take.

A game system is, fundamentally, a series of play options designed to encourage or discourage certain behaviors of gameplay. This is done through incentive. In this case, its intended function is to dis-incentivize being an ass in pub groups, but it has a negative unintended side effect of also rewarding being an ass when you draw roulettes you don't want to be in, or when you can create a social power majority, such as through premades. When something is rewarded, it is encouraged.

Saying the current vote dismissal system doesn't encourage me to log off the second I get a dungeon I don't like as a tank is like saying the summer heat doesn't encourage me to turn on the fan.

Its being abused because Duty Finder killed community. Everyone happy now?

Did you fall out of a time portal from 2007? You don't need a QoL feature or even instanced content for a community to toxify. Just look at Hunts.