PLD Advice - Skill bloating?

[Nedkel]

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With requiecast + HS macro you dont miss the fifth HS hit enchanced by the buff. It doesnt matter if your HS will deal damage after the buff is gone, damage is increased at the time you press the button. If you would press HS 1 sec before the buff will wear off and your character will cast the spell after the buff is finished, you still will get the bonus damage boost for that spell. I have just tested it, I had never miss the bonus for fifth spell with my macro.

About those cd's.
I dont have holy ground in macro i do not recommend anyone to put it there, it always should be separate. Deffensive cooldown whichever you will use they are good enough to keep you alive, i dont think people actually think which one def CD should they use, having it in one button at least guarantees you that you will never forget about the CD and you will use every one available instead of traveling across the button thinking which one should you use, you just press one button and here you go, little to no place for mistakes here. In raids you could predict when to use them, you dont have to be on deff cd's all the time. One button with all the cd's takes very little attention, which allows you to pay more focus on the stuff happening around you instead of thinking how to press X or Y or which should you press.

As for mixing oGCD skills with the GCD, i dont see any problems here. Pressing macro with oGCD first and GCD second will work exactly the same as you would use them on two separate buttons. You still have to wait for part of the animation to go through with any skill you use, i believe its something between 0.2-0.25 sec of delay between oGCD and GCD skills. Making a macro of them could potentially affect your dps and raise it up, since you dont waste time to travel across buttons so much, it prevents you from forgetting to use oGCD which will have significant impact on your performance.

And secondly, that sword/shield macro works perfectly fine, each press of the button will switch you from one to another. Its just that you cant turn off the stance like you would do with a separate button, but who would want to turn the stance off anyway, at least you will never turn off the stance by a mistake that way.

Btw i dont see the place for gauge limit on your hotbar, this thing could be useful a ton when playing trials and failed to do some mechanics.

[Orbus]

Try out this one



The icon doesnt change only, but it works the same way. You cant change the order of them to this if you like, i prefer the shield one.

On paper one might think this works, but because of the way the game does things this doesn't work because every other use of it will briefly turn off your stance completely which wipes out your gauge.
The first for example, if you're already in sword using this button will turn off sword and then turn on shield, wiping out the gauge.

[Nedkel]

On paper one might think this works, but because of the way the game does things this doesn't work because every other use of it will briefly turn off your stance completely which wipes out your gauge.
The first for example, if you're already in sword using this button will turn off sword and then turn on shield, wiping out the gauge.

Oh thats the thing i havent in mind, but ye you lose gauge so i think this macro is useless.
Dont use it.

[Orbus]

I did work back in HW, but the job gauges didn't exist then either.
Very annoying that I have to use an extra button because square can't be bothered to just design the tank stance buttons like every tank player was already doing before SB.

[x_zenith]

Hold on, nononono NO! Macroing skills like that is the absolutely worst idea you could come up with. I did that when I was super new back in ARR and I can tell from experience it causes WAAAAAAY more problems than fixes. Also by macroing HS you WILL lose the 5th one from Req window. GCD macros in general are the absolute worst and you can't double weave oGCD macros and they take longer to go off because you can't queue them like normal skills.

For good measure:
DO *NOT* MACRO COOLDOWNS!

Yeah, I understood already that macroing defensives in a particular order could be bad. I like to pop specific defensive abilities at specific times, especially when I'm familiar with the content and know exactly what's going to hit me next.

I have moved both Shield & Sword Oath, LB and Shirk to a cross-bar slightly on the side since I use them much less than required to be hot-keyed, yet even then just keeping sprint in my major 3 bars I'm at a full 36 buttons.

I see that the AoE taunt isn't on your bar, I've thought about removing it myself because I never have threat as an issue and I mean NEVER. Also, even though I do completely understand it's usefulness, Tempered Will is on the fast track to getting cross-bar'd because as long as I 100% understand a fight and it's mechanics, it's possibilities and it's accidents, then I shouldn't need knockback or heavy protection. I should never need it to recover. I understand accidents happen, but for someone who strives to either memorize the content to not need certain skills, or memorize content to manipulate it's mechanics in my favor (sometimes knockbacks are manipulated in favor of the group or myself), I don't really find it as useful as others might.

You yourself stated that you swap out Flash for Passage of Arms - They're two separate abilities that provide two completely different functions, but even then, if you swap them out, is that not your own admittance to there being too many damn buttons on this class? lol it's a like a MOAB went off on the skill page

[Izsha]

Take the time to get used to toggling between two full sets of 16. Just suck it up for a couple days and you will have years of comfortable play on every class by never running out of space. You already use the L+R bars. 40 buttons is ample space on every job in the game. No bad macros. No removing skills. Just fluid use of your entire toolkit at all times.

[Terkhev]

PLD sure has more skills on bars than other tanks. I think it's like 3rd or 4th most filled bar for me. But tbh outside of role actions, I wouldn't want to lose any, they are all useful. Ok, Shield Bash isn't anymore. Stances could be merged tho.

I was actually having trouble with this when I maxed out the pld class.
I use a controller with a setup that effectively gives me 32 buttons without having to manually swap to another crossbar and it's still not enough.
I've tried to limit the cross role abilities to stuff I might actually use in any given scenario including dropping low kick in favor of just opting for shield bash, but there's only so much fat you can cut before you're left with either dropping essential skills or being forced to manually swap crossbars mid combat.

It's unbelievable that they still haven't merged shield oath and sword oath into one button.

Set it to 48 slots (I guess you don't use double clicks?) instead. No point trying to squeeze everything in 32 when like half of jobs need more anyway. I never manually switched hotbars since I started playing, even as a SCH, but it sounds like real pain.

[Lumadurin]

The only tanking macro I'd advocate is Shirk and maybe a Cover/TBN one if you -know- you're only be going to using it on one (focus) target.
PLD definitely suffers from skill bloat though. Far more so than the other two tanks. Especially once you factor in role actions.

[whiskeybravo]

There are too many PLD buttons, fact.

The only way to really have them all accessible is to include the WXHB crossbars. That's your standard L2/R2, the double triggers behind, and the additional ones off to the side of those. I don't have any screenshots handy, but just put the uncommon ones on the WXHB (right side I have Ultimatum, silence, stun and potion. Left side Clemency, passage, tempered will.. and something else I can't think of atm).

Macros are generally bad.. But if you need to use intervention or cover on someone other than your OT it may be necessary.

[Campi]

macros for everything

My heart is bleeding when I see this x.x
Pls don't do this

With requiecast + HS macro you dont miss the fifth HS hit enchanced by the buff. It doesnt matter if your HS will deal damage after the buff is gone, damage is increased at the time you press the button. If you would press HS 1 sec before the buff will wear off and your character will cast the spell after the buff is finished, you still will get the bonus damage boost for that spell. I have just tested it, I had never miss the bonus for fifth spell with my macro.

You will clipp your gcd with this macro, which is a higher Dmg loss, than missing the last HS in the Req-Buff.
Anyway it's easy to get all 5 HS in the Buff. Just press Req when the GCD is ~3/4 finished