Finished with BLU?

[Liale]

You can put something on the shelf and not consider it a failure. We do the same thing with all kinds of content. Rush to get what we want from it, then move on to something else. Most of us will be back when they provide updates to Blu, won't we? Try out the next new spells, new carnival fights, increased level cap and see the job quests. For what it's worth I will continue using Blu at least a little every week for the weekly rewards. Poetics can buy materia VI now, and allied seals for aetheryte tickets or ventures.

I don't agree with this, putting it on the shelf after a week, or three days as is my case, is a failure. It means that they put what at a minimum has to be a about 3 months of work into one week of content. I would say they worked on it longer but the assets used were all old stock assets they had from other parts of the game. Furthermore they themselves set the benchmark when they declared diadem a failure and tried to fix it. Tried is the word in that sentence you should focus on. Diadem was something you did a few times the first week, then it was dead. Blue mage is the same thus by their own benchmark it's a failure. Their efforts should go in to something that will stick around and be used in the game for a long time, not just one week for those that are taking the mini game, because it's not a job, slow.

[stanrir]

got every spell besides levi because it wont drop after 3 days of farming it. finished the masked carnival got my perfect blue title, so yeah im pretty much done with blue mage. Hope we never see another limited job again

[ChaseNetwork]

I've heard some people say that BLU is getting "more mileage" by being Limited instead of a full job.

I'm not sure how they think that. Most of my FC didn't even touch BLU, I'm the only one that went for a 100% completion of it, and I got done before it's 1st reset, and the Masked Carnival isn't worth it's weekly rewards. My only reason to do this was because it was something I could do for completion, but I have no reason to touch it again until the Fall, when the next update to it is forecasted.

Furthermore, anyone wanting to jump into BLU late is going to be severely punished, as the PF isn't being friendly to their spell learning parties anymore.

If only 6.25% of players made it their main, that would more than make up for the "mileage lost" by not having more people pick it up as a side activity.

In it's current state, I do not want anything more of "Limited Job" content.

If at it's level cap, a Limited Job could perform at least as well as a Max leveled/geared normal job would at it's level
(eg. if a Lv.50 130 geared BLU was as good as Lv.70 400 geared jobs in unsynced 50 content)
I would at least consider running it for WTs

It's not like BLU is meant to be balanced, so let it be silly like that.

I see no actual reason to restrict it from Duty Finder. So what if it can be hillariously broken some times? Does it really matter in Level 50 content?

Change the "combo" actions by adding an additional "proc" effect. Meaning: yes, you can't petrify a Primal, but apply a "Petrified" proc to it that would at least allow you to use the Drill Cannons combo action, even if it's not petrified. (And for the love of... PLEASE remove that stupid low accuracy thing from it) Things like that.

[Ruf]

Got Lv.50 & idk...I just,,, dont know.

[Atlantasia]

Level 50... grinding for skills, only so many times I can grind content for rewards I'm not even sure are worth the time and effort. How many times do I have to run these primal fights and dungeons? If your RNG is crap like mine, you want to tear your hair out. I'm done for now until they fix the rate you get these spells, because it's just not worth it.

[BillyKaplan]

Got the Shiva and Ifrit Primal spells and did, like, two stages of the Masked Carnival. I might be inclined to try for the other achievement titles if I'm bored enough but as it stands, I'm really not motivated to even go for any completion goals regarding this thing. Not until they buff Primal spell drop rates, at least.

There are about two things that are good in BLU for me, and neither are part of the intended design or even anywhere near its original purpose and both need Self Destruct.

[Leowilde]

Yeah, I want more. I like that they try new things - not to replace the old jobs, but as an addition. And I see several possibilities for further limited jobs. And I can see them trying different things with the different jobs. Take beastmaster as an example; if they went solo limited with that one (though I suspect many want it as a regular job), it could play very different from BLU. BLU's gimmick is to learn abilities from enemies. Beast could have a whole different gimmick, like capturing beasts, which in turn could affect gameplay quite differently.

BLU might not be perfect, but I think it's a pretty decent new thing to play around with, and I'd definetly try the next one.

[GenericMagus]

As a person who got 100% of everything to do with BLU first week, all I can do is a glorified Weekly roulette for Allied Seals.

I sure as hell didn't "solo" my way there, guess I needed training wheels in order to get my "Game Breaking, raid stomping, solo carry" kit from other players.

I appreciate the Seals but if this is the endgame for BLU here on out SE please just make it a full time job, scrap Limited.

[Blueyes]

I've heard some people say that BLU is getting "more mileage" by being Limited instead of a full job.

I'm not sure how they think that. Most of my FC didn't even touch BLU, I'm the only one that went for a 100% completion of it, and I got done before it's 1st reset, and the Masked Carnival isn't worth it's weekly rewards. My only reason to do this was because it was something I could do for completion, but I have no reason to touch it again until the Fall, when the next update to it is forecasted.

Correct. Remaining limited doesn't add anything for Blue Mage. There's nothing that a limited Blue Mage can do that a full Blue Mage wouldn't also be able to do.

• Collecting spells - SE has no need to get rid of this. Collecting spells and Blue Mage being limited are not mutually exclusive.
• Masked Carnival - Again, SE has no need to get rid of this. Masked Carnival and Blue Mage being limited are not mutually exclusive.

Let's try looking beyond what the current version of a limited Blue Mage can do. What if they make this Blue Mage exceedingly strong and broken? Surely a full Blue Mage can't retain that. Incorrect.

The repercussions of making Blue Mage broken must also be taken into consideration. As Yoshida explained, they can't allow Blue Mage to simply one-shot current-tier raid bosses. If Blue Mage were broken, it would most likely be kept away from max level forever. Blue Mage would only be "broken" in the context of old content. To which, you can replicate similar effectiveness to being exceedingly strong and broken by simply going into old content unsynced as a max level Blue Mage. They could even make Instant Death spells work more consistently under such circumstances.

There's nothing to gain by remaining limited and everything to gain by becoming a full job.

[Factoree]

There's nothing to gain by remaining limited and everything to gain by becoming a full job.

I fully agree. There is obviously a lot to be gained from having access to full job content. The question that seems to divide people is whether its “promotion” would somehow take away from other aspects of BLU. Whatever the mechanism used to balance BLU (a core, balanced set of spells that needs to be equipped to enter max-level content, a separate job stone with different rules, whatever), the fact remains that old content being run unsynced was never going to retain a challenge in the first place. Those who do want a challenge in that old content can go in synced or even with minimum iLevel.

With that in mind I can’t see many reasons why Blue Mage (or any other Job, for that matter) shouldn’t be able to break said content wide open if it’s unsynced. A simple change to Tail Screw could make it much more likely to succeed while requiring the target be significantly lower in level than you (oh, say, 10 levels below the caster’s?). Heck, if they made all bosses and raid mobs immune to all Instant Death effects it could even work on same-level mobs at very low accuracy: the only problem with that would be a miniscule chance of making a dungeon run slightly faster.

Learning as a Blue Mage is a collectathon and always has been. The people who want to complete the set and learn everything are going to do it without regard to whether it makes them more effective in battle or not. Meanwhile, the current endgame for blue mage involves grinding for hours and hours on old content to get the spells that are most powerful (and consequently make up a majority of your gameplay), forcing you to do the most tedious part of learning in order to be effective. If SE made a “balanced” set of spells relatively easy to get (100% learn chance as is now the case with Mind Blast and Glower, OR a quest that provides a soloable version of the mob until you learn it and finish the quest) and made the rest of the learning a side activity to get fun, wacky, overpowered or super-flashy spells for content such as solo quests, unsynced dungeons/trials, and non-Hunt overworld mobs, would anybody have reasonable grounds to complain? I myself highly doubt it. The people who play that content could still use BLU to its fullest, while the raiders and people who want to “main” BLU could get a slice of the pie too.

The above is just an example of how making BLU into a full job could better appeal to both kinds of players, not just raiders. If it were a trade to be made, we could argue about which side needs to be supported more... but it doesn’t have to be a trade. Just some thoughts.