Reworking Normal Raid Currency

[Eli85]

yeah, I assumed you wanted stats because you said "need to run this content", i shouldn't assume. My point was that you have other options than Normal raids if you want gear this late in the expansion. If you're just running it for glam, I dont expect SE to really care what people think is fundamentally flawed.

You are really misrepresenting the word 'need' in this context. Need is not used in the sense of 'I feel compelled to further my character progression, thus I need to do this.' It is rather used in the context of to achieve reward A I need to do B, as a conditional imperative.


Regardless of the reason why a person wants to run content, the reward system remains fundamentally flawed, and that should be corrected. Further, if SE doesn't care, that is just being irresponsible, and will just lead to less revenue. Like I said, I'm a player that plays only in the first month of new content because the reward systems are so broken in normal and alliance raid content, and I promise you, I'm not the only one. So go ahead, be dismissive of legitimate concerns, because less concurrent players is better for the game, right?

[Nora_of_Mira]

So go ahead, be dismissive of legitimate concerns, because less concurrent players is better for the game, right?

what I'm taking away from this is: If loot was given to all players in a perfectly fair and timely manner, they wouldn't unsub after a month when they got everything they wanted? Isn't that what you said you're doing because you're not getting gear?

FFxiv cant operate like a single player game and give you loot for completing objective A all the time, thats what the MSQ is for.

[Eli85]

what I'm taking away from this is: If loot was given to all players in a perfectly fair and timely manner, they wouldn't unsub after a month when they got everything they wanted? Isn't that what you said you're doing because you're not getting gear?

FFxiv cant operate like a single player game and give you loot for completing objective A all the time, thats what the MSQ is for.

"A perfectly fair and timely manner" does not equate to fully geared out in a month. I will answer for myself, rather than other players: I do not mind a system where it takes me 2-4 months to fully gear out, so long as I do not feel the need to grind the same fight over and over for a drop. It's easier to explain this by referencing WoW and Personal Loot. No actual loot drops from the boss, but when you kill the boss, you roll against the boss, and if you win, you get a random piece of loot off the boss' loot table. So there is no going back and grinding the same boss over and over; you kill the boss once a week, then go on to other activities. So to make this really clear: the reason I don't stick around long term, is because the gear sets that I want, I have to grind the same fight over and over until I get lucky. That's a really bad system. I like the content, I like the rewards, but because of how the game divvies up that reward, I just get really frustrated and put the game on the back burner. I do not want that frustration to exist in the game any more.

[linay]

"A perfectly fair and timely manner" does not equate to fully geared out in a month. I will answer for myself, rather than other players: I do not mind a system where it takes me 2-4 months to fully gear out, so long as I do not feel the need to grind the same fight over and over for a drop. It's easier to explain this by referencing WoW and Personal Loot. No actual loot drops from the boss, but when you kill the boss, you roll against the boss, and if you win, you get a random piece of loot off the boss' loot table. So there is no going back and grinding the same boss over and over; you kill the boss once a week, then go on to other activities. So to make this really clear: the reason I don't stick around long term, is because the gear sets that I want, I have to grind the same fight over and over until I get lucky. That's a really bad system. I like the content, I like the rewards, but because of how the game divvies up that reward, I just get really frustrated and put the game on the back burner. I do not want that frustration to exist in the game any more.

So if you lose the roll against the boss, you don't even get any loot and if you win, it's random, so it might not even be the item that you want/need? And there's no second try possible? I do not understand how that is a better system.

If you do not want to run a boss multiple times a week, then you don't have to. Just treat it as you losing the roll for that week if you don't get any loot.

[Eli85]

So if you lose the roll against the boss, you don't even get any loot and if you win, it's random, so it might not even be the item that you want/need? And there's no second try possible? I do not understand how that is a better system.

If you do not want to run a boss multiple times a week, then you don't have to. Just treat it as you losing the roll for that week if you don't get any loot.

Unfortunately human psychology doesn't work that way. When you can obtain it, you will want to excise all opportunities to attain it, even if it's to your detriment.


For myself, like I have said previously, I run the raid a few times, thoroughly enjoy it, but then unsub for a few months until more content comes out. A better system that doesn't frustrate me would keep me subbed.

[linay]

Unfortunately human psychology doesn't work that way. When you can obtain it, you will want to excise all opportunities to attain it, even if it's to your detriment.

Maybe, but in the end, you can take control of yourself.

For myself, like I have said previously, I run the raid a few times, thoroughly enjoy it, but then unsub for a few months until more content comes out. A better system that doesn't frustrate me would keep me subbed.

Try running with friends so you can lessen the amount of runs needed.

[Eli85]

Maybe, but in the end, you can take control of yourself. Try running with friends so you can lessen the amount of runs needed.

That we all do, and I take my time to other games. *Shrug*