Suggestion: Do not allow multiple service accounts all own houses.

[LarryButz]

Airship/Subparts are tradeable - master FC makes all the parts and then distributes them to the sub-FC's.

Yeah that's true. I still don't see it being the thing that's happening here though. Not that it doesn't happen ever, just not in the situation I'm specifically talking about is all. But who knows besides them I suppose. Regardless though, even if they are actually using the houses only for airships, I still think there should be some limit on houses per person.

Doesn't have to be my personal idea, I know it's not perfect by any means, so if there's a better option then great. It's just dumb situation that can happen, on top of the fact they make their yard ugly as heck on purpose to troll everyone around the area, and the fact that they're using Large/Medium for this. They could easily have bought 4 smalls instead if they were only going to use it for Airships.

[Jojoya]

Yeah that's true. I still don't see it being the thing that's happening here though. Not that it doesn't happen ever, just not in the situation I'm specifically talking about is all. But who knows besides them I suppose. Regardless though, even if they are actually using the houses only for airships, I still think there should be some limit on houses per person.

Doesn't have to be my personal idea, I know it's not perfect by any means, so if there's a better option then great. It's just dumb situation that can happen, on top of the fact they make their yard ugly as heck on purpose to troll everyone around the area, and the fact that they're using Large/Medium for this. They could easily have bought 4 smalls instead if they were only going to use it for Airships.

Trying to restrict things further doesn't solve the core problem - there are not enough available plots to meet demand on many worlds. Enforcing ownership rules in the manner you suggest might open up 5-10% of the housing on each world at best. That's still not going to be enough to meet the demand on the higher population worlds.

They need to come up with a system that will allow every player who wants a house to have one without trying to squeeze everyone into limited wards. Apartments might have been a good solution if players had the ability to choose interiors equal in size to small, medium and large house interiors instead of just a room. I'm still hoping the Ishgard housing they implied in coming will be a new system that is a solution and not just an expansion of the ward system.

[Mikki]

Honestly, the 1 house per server per service account is good enough imo. If someone really wants to spend extra money on multiple service accounts and keep up with the hassle of logging into every one of them and going into the houses just to keep them, then I say more power to 'em. It's expensive and a real pain in the behind to do that, so it's not really common. And as long as it's not common, I don't see it as a huge deal.

You keep going on about how the houses are empty and not in use but lets be real for a second here..... a good amount of houses owned by players are empty and never used. So many people only use the house for the status symbol, just because they can or for a cheap teleport to a market board and npcs or for gardening/airships/submarines. I basically live in the housing zone and the number of times I've seen any neighbors could be counted on my fingers (ok, that's probably an exaggeration but not by much and only because I've had a house for a loooong time). Honestly I wish they'd just do instanced housing so everyone can stop complaining about housing and dreams can stop being dashed. But that probably won't ever happen...sigh

They need to come up with a system that will allow every player who wants a house to have one without trying to squeeze everyone into limited wards. Apartments might have been a good solution if players had the ability to choose interiors equal in size to small, medium and large house interiors instead of just a room. I'm still hoping the Ishgard housing they implied in coming will be a new system that is a solution and not just an expansion of the ward system.

This!!!!!
Apartments would solve a lot of the issues if they would just allow you to choose different interior sizes - PLUS it would add a lot to the community, since everyone would be going to the same spot so it wouldn't feel as empty. I also had a fever dream where each house was an instance. Walking up to the post in front of the house would allow you to select which person's version of the house you wanted to enter. When entering, it would bring you to an instance where you'd also get to customize the yard. For the version that is on the base map, maybe it could cycle daily between different yards. *shrugs* (when entering an instanced version of the house, the yard would be there but you couldn't leave the yard without leaving the instance)

Really hoping they do something new with the Ishgard housing, too. But I'm not holding my breath for it....

[DashingDanny]

Seems that most servers have at least one or two people doing this (or bought houses while there was a content drought and plots were plentiful). Now plots are all sold out and it's a rat race for anyone wanting player housing.

It's not against TOS so the argument is more on your personal feelings so for me personally yeah I hate it. Especially when the houses or FCs made are exact copies with slight changes to spelling, the FCs no longer have people in them expect for the alt needed to maintain it and once you see upwards of 6 and more houses with the same tag lines in one residential area and more across the other it's annoying.

But again, this is a grievance brought on by other faulty systems, right?

Like I wouldn't be as upset if when I found an available plot I could outright by it instead of the random timer being in place and then tossing up the idea of "do I just not sleep tonight?" and then when I choose to do that, someone comes to the placard and begins running a script to auto click away at it or someone moves to that plot resetting the cycle.

Housing is just a vicious toxic cycle right now that I try to stay away from and hope the expansion alleviates.

[LarryButz]

You keep going on about how the houses are empty and not in use but lets be real for a second here..... a good amount of houses owned by players are empty and never used. So many people only use the house for the status symbol, just because they can or for a cheap teleport to a market board and npcs or for gardening/airships/submarines. I basically live in the housing zone and the number of times I've seen any neighbors could be counted on my fingers (ok, that's probably an exaggeration but not by much and only because I've had a house for a loooong time). Honestly I wish they'd just do instanced housing so everyone can stop complaining about housing and dreams can stop being dashed. But that probably won't ever happen...sigh

Those are 4 reasons to have a house though? They're being used. Even if the purpose is because of laziness. Having a house because of status is fine as long as they don't own more then allowed. Just having a house period, never using it for anything other than going inside every 44 days to keep the house alive is totally fine. As long as they only have that one house (Plus FC house technically). Anyway, the purpose of this thread isn't that they're unused. If they were being used and decorated, it'd still be scummy. I've just been saying it's extra scummy in my personal experience with these people that they're purposely making their yards as ugly as possible and hard to see around the Marketboard/Retainer area unless you zoom in almost all the way.

Also I don't know why I have to keep saying this, but I understand fully that there's no rules against having multiple service accounts just to beat the housing limit. What would be the point of making this suggestion if it was a rule? If the people doing this are doing it for airships only, then this is basically a p2w situation. I don't care that they're spending a lot of money or time doing it. That doesn't make it any more acceptable imo.


As a side note, having instanced housing would kind of ruin the whole neighborhood feel of housing. Not a big fan of that idea. There's surely better ways of handling the overall problem of housing besides dismantling half the reason housing is cool and fun.

[Jojoya]

As a side note, having instanced housing would kind of ruin the whole neighborhood feel of housing. Not a big fan of that idea. There's surely better ways of handling the overall problem of housing besides dismantling half the reason housing is cool and fun.

Most players already complain about how empty their wards feel, though. I'm lucky, I have a couple of active neighbors at my house that I see a few times a week while I'm gardening. I also garden at a friend's house and I never see his neighbors at all. I almost never see the neighbors at my alt's FC house when I'm gardening there.

Neighborhood feeling could still be achieved with instanced housing. We'd just lose the ability to have our exterior decoration on display to those randomly passing by. Considering the complaints about ugly neighbor yards, that may not be a bad thing.

[Brynne]

Neighborhood feeling could still be achieved with instanced housing.

Leave the wards as they are, and add in instanced housing on top of that. Make it so players can transfer their existing houses into the instanced housing system and vice versa (you can't have both a ward house and an instanced house, just one or the other). Include perks as incentive for the instanced houses (examples: ability to upgrade size, more space in the yard for items, lack of demolition timer, etc). Those players who like the wards can stay there, and you'll probably find more like-minded neighbors as those who prefer instanced housing and/or want the perks move out.

This is exactly what I'm hoping they're going to introduce with Ishgard housing. I know logically that they probably won't, but I still have hope right now.

[Vahlnir]

Normally I'd support some restrictions, like 1 FC and 1 personal house per server, but some in this thread have honestly made me realize the obvious...it doesn't fix the real problem, and that is the supply/demand issue. We need more houses, plain and simple.

[MaybeOliverB]

Normally I'd support some restrictions, like 1 FC and 1 personal house per server, but some in this thread have honestly made me realize the obvious...it doesn't fix the real problem, and that is the supply/demand issue. We need more houses, plain and simple.

We don't need more houses. We need to bring the housing prices back to what they used to be. Housing is the only gil sink in this game aside from the marketboard sale taxes...

[Vahlnir]

We don't need more houses. We need to bring the housing prices back to what they used to be. Housing is the only gil sink in this game aside from the marketboard sale taxes...

Oh look, this again. Like I've said before in regards to your argument, no. Just no. That won't fix the underlying problem. Take your nonsense elsewhere.