whats wrong with wow?

[Abriael]

We cannot really truly compare the two games because they are aimed at different kinds of players. And many people may disagree, but WoW is wildly successful and it DID redefine what MMOs should shoot for.

I never said that WoW isn't a wildly successful marketing operation. As a cash cow it works perfectly. You're actually not saying something much different from what I said.
It redefined what MMOs should shoot for IF the developer wants to aim for the minimum common denominator of the gamer(loosely intended) playerbase.
Personally, as I do not want to play in the same server as that minimum common denominator, I'm much happier with games that don't aim for such a target. Or at least don't do so in such an extreme way.
I'm quite sure many agree, and that's exactly where the problem with wow (for me and them) lies.

Their target is excessively wide, and as such their community is unbearable for many that are used to (or prefer) a little more mature environment. That's pretty mcuh all there's to it.

when i played ffxi and i feel everything is so slow, i can watch TV while I PT. when i fight a boss, the only thing keeps me busy is the log window. do I need to think fast? no, i just repeat and repeat what Ive done

Which is pretty much the same thing that happens in WoW, and in every MMORPG out there. I don't remember a single MMO in which I couldn't watch TV, drink coffee, read forums on the other PC and so forth. The fact that you like a MMO, doesn't mean that you need to try and "nobilize" it by arguing that it's harder.

[Sushi]

Which is pretty much the same thing that happens in WoW, and in every MMORPG out there. I don't remember a single MMO in which I couldn't watch TV, drink coffee, read forums on the other PC and so forth. The fact that you like a MMO, doesn't mean that you need to try and "nobilize" it by arguing that it's harder.

WOW's boss fights are really dynamic and they only last about 10min or less.
there is no way you can watch TV and doing dungeons in WOW at the same time, unless your in a 20man group and is killing trash. even then while you are AFK, you prob gonna get killed if you are not careful.

[Abriael]

WOW's boss fights are really dynamic and they only last about 10min or less.
there is no way you can watch TV and doing dungeons in WOW, unless your in a 20man group and is killing trash.

Applying your same limits to other people is rather flawed logic. The fact that you don't manage doesn't necessarily mean others don't.

[Sushi]

Applying your same limits to other people is rather flawed logic. The fact that you don't manage doesn't necessarily mean others don't.

this sentence only implies me that you don't play wow, no more further argument is needed. I'm done.

[Abriael]

this sentence only implies me that you don't play wow, no more further argument is needed. I'm done.

Again, you assume a lot more than you should.

[Linnear]

Applying your same limits to other people is rather flawed logic. The fact that you don't manage doesn't necessarily mean others don't.

Abriael I keep getting the feeling you have never tried new content in WoW upon release, and I don't mean like 2 months after it was release, I mean like the first 3 weeks of release. I can guarentee you that you can do a 10 man the first few times and not have everyone paying attention on boss fights and winning. Wrath was a broken expansion and BLizzard acknowledges it but the other three inceptions of the game were challenging with Cata being the most challenging end game content yet. If you think you can breeze through it in a cavalier fashion your just wrong! there is no negotiating that fact, you are just spouting false comments and inflamitory comments about a game you dislike for no valid reason.

[Rhianu]

you are just spouting false comments and inflamitory comments about a game you dislike for no valid reason.

Doesn't surprise me. Abriael is one of the biggest SE/FFXIV fanboys I've seen on these forums.

[Abriael]

Abriael I keep getting the feeling you have never tried new content in WoW upon release, and I don't mean like 2 months after it was release, I mean like the first 3 weeks of release. I can guarentee you that you can do a 10 man the first few times and not have everyone paying attention on boss fights and winning. Wrath was a broken expansion and BLizzard acknowledges it but the other three inceptions of the game were challenging with Cata being the most challenging end game content yet. If you think you can breeze through it in a cavalier fashion your just wrong! there is no negotiating that fact, you are just spouting false comments and inflamitory comments about a game you dislike for no valid reason.

Translation from the above: "if you disagree with me and have a different experience than me you're just wrong and lie!".

Please. You're entirely entitled to worship any game you like, but you don't need to justify it to us by trying to make it look more challenging than it is.

[Linnear]

Translation from the above: "if you disagree with me and have a different experience than me you're just wrong and lie!".

Please. You're entirely entitled to worship any game you like, but you don't need to justify it to us by trying to make it look more challenging than it is.

Abriael, what your saying is just not corrent, your making grand statements that you have no first hand experience in, anyone who played high end content in WoW knows your full of it. If you go through something after it is on farm is not the same as going through it on hard mode during release. Your "claimed" experiences is a false representation of reality. It is the equivalent of saying you ran CoP for the first time without animas on release and oneshot every fight in the mission chain in the first day it was out. It is just not correct.

Outside of CoP WoW has examples of it being more challenging, myself and others have pointed this out in numerous posts, but people like abriael and others dismiss these statements without specificis. Can we have some truthfull examples of why you have your particular position?

[Abriael]

Abriael, what your saying is just not corrent, your making grand statements that you have no first hand experience in, anyone who played high end content in WoW knows your full of it. If you go through something after it is on farm is not the same as going through it on hard mode during release. Your "claimed" experiences is a false representation of reality. It is the equivalent of saying you ran CoP for the first time without animas on release and oneshot every fight in the mission chain in the first day it was out. It is just not correct.

Outside of CoP WoW is more challenging.

Unfortunately for you, something isn't "false" just because you claim it so. Everything is relatively challenging when first experienced (both because you don't really know what to do, and because you actually want to experience it), that's the obvious between the obvious.
The person I was responding to quite obviously wasn't talking about "first time" encounters (I really would like to see him/her playing even just something as easy as Dynamis or any similar encounter in any other MMORPG for the first time without paying attention, he/she would be kicked out of the linkshell/guild in a split second).

WoW has no more challenging content than any other MMORPG, and every MMORPG has content that's relatively challenging the first couple times you try it, and then turns to farm mode, because AI encounters are repeatitive by nature. WoW is no different, and the support of crutches like aggro meters and similar (because you need the game to tell you when your aggro is weak, lol) make it even easier than many others.